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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-03-2017 , 09:47 AM
Trump's mental health (and physical health actually) is an issue still bubbling under the surface as well. Covfefe may be a prelude to more questionable stuff. We haven't seen him manage a crisis yet. Its hard to believe he's completely stable. If Trump goes away soon, I think it'll be more about a storm of public criticism than formal impeachment proceedings.
06-03-2017 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Reminder that "white moderates" like awval are exactly the reason we are in this mess. Martin Luther King Jr. warned us in A Letter from a Birmingham Jail that they are even more dangerous than the violent racists because they do nothing and allow evil to prosper. What do I think of your list? It's preposterous. Ted Cruz is the guy who literally made phone calls asking people to vote for Trump after Trump trashed him in every way possible. You are refusing to see the nightmarish reality you have helped entrap all of us in.
awval is definitely everything you say he is and his list is ******ed, but one thing you have to remember is that ted cruz and others have no real morals. they are guided purely by self interest- ted knelt and kissed the ring after the primary because thats what his constituents wanted (as they coalesced support around trump). the minute that it becomes politically inexpedient, aka his seat is in jeopardy, he and the others will turn on him in a heartbeat. it's all about what the breaking point for the constituency is, and sadly i think the only reliable prediction for when that happens is once all these ******s get their health benefits all chopped and screwed

i saw a good article on 538 back when trumps approval rating among republicans was still like 96% or something. he was extrapolating that 4% loss across the map and it would have been enough of a drop in support to cost him numerous states. it's only gone further downhill since then, so as much as trump's transgressions can be pinned on congress is how much we'll see incumbent support plummet.
06-03-2017 , 09:49 AM
Hannah Arendt on awval:

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“The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together, for it implied — as had been said at Nuremberg over and over again by the defendants and their counsels — that this new type of criminal, who is in actual fact hostis generis humani, commits his crimes under circumstances that make it well-nigh impossible for him to know or to feel that he is doing wrong. ”
― Hannah Arendt

Last edited by einbert; 06-03-2017 at 09:55 AM.
06-03-2017 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
awval is definitely everything you say he is and his list is ******ed, but one thing you have to remember is that ted cruz and others have no real morals. they are guided purely by self interest- ted knelt and kissed the ring after the primary because thats what his constituents wanted (as they coalesced support around trump). the minute that it becomes politically inexpedient, aka his seat is in jeopardy, he and the others will turn on him in a heartbeat. it's all about what the breaking point for the constituency is, and sadly i think the only reliable prediction is once all these ******s get their health benefits all chopped and screwed

i saw a good article on 538 back when trumps approval rating among republicans was still like 96% or something. he was extrapolating that 4% loss across the map and it would have been enough of a drop in support to cost him numerous states. it's only gone further downhill since then, so as much as trump's transgressions can be pinned on congress is how much we'll see incumbent support plummet.
When/if Republicans start losing a lot of elections (not just a few special elections), then you might see a shift. In my opinion this isn't even possible until after Nov. 2018 because there won't be enough elections between now and then.
06-03-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
WTF kind of managerial genius doesn't know what his closest staff are up to?
This, too. We can't forget The Schrodinger's Trumpkin phenomena, that so long as these people don't actually examine Trump directly, a state of incompetence and corruption will never occur, preserving the Trumpkin's brittle psyche. Fox has a tight lock on that box.
06-03-2017 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
When/if Republicans start losing a lot of elections (not just a few special elections), then you might see a shift. In my opinion this isn't even possible until after Nov. 2018 because there won't be enough elections between now and then.
i'm really uncomfortable getting my feet wet in the prediction game again after what happened in november, but i feel like this is probably correct. would probably need some kind of outrageous confirmed treasonous development to move the needle before then.

on the bright side, as it relates to russia/manafort/page/kushner/money laundering/treason/etc, we're just getting started and everything we know so far is very bad for orange daddy

be patient, keep resisting, trust in mueller and the IC. it's all we really can do.
06-03-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
When/if Republicans start losing a lot of elections (not just a few special elections), then you might see a shift. In my opinion this isn't even possible until after Nov. 2018 because there won't be enough elections between now and then.
See here's the thing. They've corrupted the election system to such a vast degree, they know they can be unpopular and still win the vast majority of their elections. Voter suppression, gerrymandering, and the electoral college are what they rely on, not popular ideas and policies. Because they've rigged the system in this way, they remain beholden to the most extreme elements in their party. They don't trust straight up poll numbers because they already know they can win while getting millions less votes.
06-03-2017 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
MLK Jr. on awval:

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I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
http://crookedtimber.org/2013/01/21/...at-to-freedom/
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles...irmingham.html
Public figures sure don't write and speak like they used to. That quote is poetry.
06-03-2017 , 10:04 AM
Quick QUIZ on Russia that's not part of election and the Trump campaign, so no lawyer defense is available from the podium. What's the most likely scenario here?...

Reporter: This administration has shown a clear pro-Russia policy from its public actions and statements. Is that by accident or by design?

Spicey: Well...

A) The President has the right to do that if he wants and he doesn't owe you an explanation. Nosy ****s.

B) That's the wrong question. What you should focus on is how did Susan Rice illegally unmask and then illegally leak our public comments to the media? This is the biggest problem right now and reporters aren't covering it.

C) The President has been clear that the President's tweets speak for themselves. When he decides to tweet about R. =injuries uuussia policy I'm sure that one will speak for itself too.

D) Other (specify): _______________

Even though this satire is boring and tired, there's still a valid reporter question buried among the comedic gold. Another good question is, "Now that you've stopped giving any answers to any questions, how is your job still relevant?" He'd probably get super insulted like that time a reporter asked if the president was out of control.

BONUS QUIZ QUESTION

If for some reason Trump and the GOP split into opposing factions, where would the majority of Trumpeters land? For example, a statement saying "I never changed my lifelong Dem views when I said I did. That was just a scheme to allow me to run as a Republican. My awesome plan worked great because I'm President! Seriously though, now I'm able to use my amazing business skills to do the right things for the country and the American people."

Just wondering if more than half of his supporters stay with him, or if they go with the GOP instead.
06-03-2017 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
At this point, yes. But maybe not in a month, etc.

If you could just wait for the investigation to be concluded, then we would have our answer.

The truth may be that Trump had no idea his supporters like Flynn and Manafort were compromised. Or maybe there is a smoking gun? But in time, we will know.
Like maybe we find out he fired the guy investigating Flynn specifically to obstruct the investigation?

LOL, man, the time to jump off the Trump train with any kind of integrity left has long since passed.
06-03-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Like maybe we find out he fired the guy investigating Flynn specifically to obstruct the investigation?

LOL, man, the time to jump off the Trump train with any kind of integrity left has long since passed.
He has no intention of ever not supporting trump no matter what he does or what evidence surfaces.
06-03-2017 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rockfsh
needs a little
06-03-2017 , 10:11 AM
Re Maher, the problem with him is that his job is to flatter people who share his sort of breezy left-libertarianism that they are smart and know everything. That comes across very clearly when you watch him, which is why I dislike him despite agreeing with him on the vast majority of issues.
06-03-2017 , 10:15 AM
Where was the outrage when Maher used the N word in the past when talking bout Obama?
06-03-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
What in god's name are you blathering about? There is a smoking gun. Trump bragged about committing obstruction of justice in a national TV interview with Lester Holt. This impeachment thing isn't a theory at this point--they're actively refusing to impeach him because it isn't politically popular.
Impeachment is a political process.
06-03-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/stat...89413109473285
jfc

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This seems obvious. Rather than letting spicer, et al simply claim they don't know trump's opinion, make them respond to the assertion that he's been a denier.


https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/stat...88385170710529
06-03-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Impeachment is a political process.
*headdesk*
06-03-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Impeachment is a political process.
The banality of evil is such that it provokes a great amount of thought in those who would analyze it, but those who participate in it do not put much thought into it at all. Those people are simply doing something completely normal and human: being ignorant and going about their daily lives in the way they see as most self-beneficial. Evil is not some wizard on a mountain, thinking up grand schemes and ways to cause chaos and destruction on us all. Evil is stupidity, evil is not thinking. Like violence, it is often glorified in movies and TV, but like violence, it's also an incredibly normal thing and it's something that happens every single day like clockwork.

Last edited by einbert; 06-03-2017 at 10:43 AM.
06-03-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Impeachment is a political process.
Awval, ladies and gentlemen. Too cowardly to actually stake out a position without the Republican Congress to tell him what to believe.
06-03-2017 , 10:27 AM
With respect to senate conviction, I think that if somehow it's clear there are 67 votes to convict a 10-20 other repubs will probably jump on board. But I agree that it's never getting to 67 in the first place (especially after the midterms), so the point is moot.
06-03-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Awval, ladies and gentlemen. Too cowardly to actually stake out a position without the Republican Congress to tell him what to believe.
I will wait until the FBI investigation is complete before staking out a position.
06-03-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Impeachment is a political process.
Exactly, which means only Trump voters can hold him accountable for his crime. You are a Trump voter, you refuse to hold him accountable. You are the problem!
06-03-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
I will wait until the FBI investigation is complete before staking out a position.
Willing to take action from anyone that Avwal supports trump at the end of investigation.
06-03-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
With respect to senate conviction, I think that if somehow it's clear there are 67 votes to convict a 10-20 other repubs will probably jump on board. But I agree that it's never getting to 67 in the first place (especially after the midterms), so the point is moot.
Doesn't Trump want the Senate to operate on the nuclear option/simple majority for everything? Wouldn't need 67 then!
06-03-2017 , 10:39 AM
Awval expertly making my point for me in the last couple of pages. You couldn't have produced a better example of why Trump won't be impeached (at least not before Nov. 2018).

      
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