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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-02-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
re: masculinity

I enjoyed reading this article about a book about masculinity written by a "self-described transvestite", mostly because I spent the whole thing imagining how a /r/mensrights reader would react to it. :P



Not sure this approach is any more likely to succeed than the idea of Democrats appealing to more traditional masculinity, but the book sounds interesting.
tldr at the moment, but I chafe against "several thousands of years old." I think the rigid macho masculinity is a more modern phenomenon and, while it has a place in hunter/gatherer societies, it's a revisionist look at 4th world/pre-history human kind. Alley-Oop dragging a woman around by her hair is just a projection of Andy Capp in the neolithic age.
06-02-2017 , 05:43 PM
I suspect that's probably a fair criticism
06-02-2017 , 05:43 PM
Tesla needs to hurry up and make a pickup truck. When the 'manly' truckers see a 0 emission vehicle with 5x the towing capacity that is way faster than their gas guzzlers they will start to question their very existence

Last edited by bigt2k4; 06-02-2017 at 05:50 PM.
06-02-2017 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
so I'll be that guy

To be fair to trump, we really didn't give a **** about climate change so the outrage over an agreement that's probably about worthless on that front anyway has gotta be totally ****ing with his mind.

Not that I mind, but boy is there some overlevel of outrage over a weak at best agreement.

I obv agree we really need to stop ****ing up the planet, but we needed to start that awhile ago. Trump's problem on this is simply he might be the end of the last chance at mitigating the carnage and lol us.
You're letting the mask slip again
06-02-2017 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Lol
06-02-2017 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
WH asking Supreme Court to hear Muslim ban case. Thoughts? The Republican appointees on the Fourth Circuit case voted in favor of Trump, so it doesn't bode well for America. I have to imagine Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito are stone locks to vote in favor of the ban.
There's no circuit split, and it's on a preliminary injunction which the Sup Ct. almost never hears, and to top it off, it's moot (the 90 days are up), I sincerely doubt the Supreme Court hears it, at least not at this stage.
06-02-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
They can't prove Sessions did it intentionally even though it's pretty obvious that he did.
"It"? You mean "them", don't you?

If it turns out Sessions did meet Kislyak at the Mayflower (and based on the statement released by the Justice Department, it sure looks that way), then Sessions is in deep. He's going to have a tough time arguing AGAINST intent after having met with Kislyak three times, leaving the meetings off his application, lying about them to Congress in written form and then verbally to Al Franken at his confirmation hearing, having a news report come out mentioning 2 of the 3 meetings, issuing a public correction of his testimony saying 2 (NOT 3) meetings happened but claiming they were in a Senator's capacity ONLY AFTER the news exposed them, and now having a brand new news report about the 3rd undisclosed meeting with the Russian Ambassador.

Add in the pattern/fact of Flynn, Manafort, Page, Kushner (any more?) all using similar tactics of concealing ONLY RUSSIAN information, and you have a coordinated effort warranting many investigations that can easily include room for a perjured Sessions in their probes.
06-02-2017 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
There are at least two types of issues at play here.

1) Politics. Even if Comey is prevented from testifying to Congress or Courts b/c of "Executive Privilege," he could still give interviews about at least some topics. He'd have to be super careful about not divulging classified info and he probably wouldn't choose to disclose anything that he thinks would truly jeopardize an ongoing investigation. However, the President doesn't have unilateral authority to tell Comey he can't go on 60 Minutes.

So, if Trump prevents the testimony, Comey could probably write a strongly worded letter to the NYTimes laying out many of the things he was planning on discussing in his public testimony and Trump would have to deal with whatever political impact those revelations have.

2) Legal - if Congress and the Courts refuse to let Comey testify on the basis of Executive Privilege, building an actual legal case for obstruction becomes much more difficult because you don't have direct witness testimony about what happened. (Some of the other legal eagles who know the rules of evidence better than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but you couldn't just roll the footage of a hypothetical 60 minutes interview in lieu of testimony. And even his "memos" would need probably need some sort of authentication before they would be admitted).
Your post is missing two extremely important details: FBI probe and Mueller's Special Counsel Investigation.

I know you probably meant to focus on Congress, but we already know Comey has fingerprints all over the FBI probe, and it's been reported that Comey briefed Muller about his memos last week. ****'s already on the record. It's just that Congress is behind the others time and info wise.
06-02-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
"It"? You mean "them", don't you?
"It" was referring to lying about his meetings by "forgetting" them.
06-02-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
There's no circuit split, and it's on a preliminary injunction which the Sup Ct. almost never hears, and to top it off, it's moot (the 90 days are up), I sincerely doubt the Supreme Court hears it, at least not at this stage.
I hope you are right but I'm curious why you think the right on the court will act any differently than the rest of right in government? Isn't the current atmosphere exactly what they will use to push their agenda?
06-02-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Yeah, went hard. I've been waiting to see that. Think there was even some harsher stuff.
If anyone stumbled across this on YouTube I'd love a link. I'm in Alaska with no cable and intermittent internet at the moment.
06-02-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Tesla needs to hurry up and make a pickup truck. When the 'manly' truckers see a 0 emission vehicle with 5x the towing capacity that is way faster than their gas guzzlers they will start to question their very existence
They absolutely will not, you think they actually give a **** about towing capacity? How often do you see someone towing something? Trump is a literal dandy, he's a germaphobe who whines CONSTANTLY about his hurt feelings.


There is a masculine left, but there cannot be a masculine liberalism because Sorkin-style libs worship cosmopolitanism and like. We need to completely redefine masculinity before the center can retake that mantle.
06-02-2017 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
They absolutely will not, you think they actually give a **** about towing capacity? How often do you see someone towing something? Trump is a literal dandy, he's a germaphobe who whines CONSTANTLY about his hurt feelings.
Yeah my goodness, pining for a technological breakthrough for towing capacity? Right wing heros like Michael Savage proudly dines with toy poodles. Rush Limbaugh couldn't run a half mile without getting winded. Donald Trump is a fey 300 lb fat guy who is apparently afraid of the stairs.

When those guys are icons of masculinity then forget towing capacity. They're using a vastly different scale.
06-02-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
They absolutely will not, you think they actually give a **** about towing capacity? How often do you see someone towing something?

This reminds me of when I used to load cars and trucks at Home Depot about 20 years ago. I remember one guy that had bought a brand new pick up truck. Don't remember the make or model but it was a big truck; probably a F350 I guess. He had a bed liner in the back and put down bed sheets so that I could put about 10 2x4's on top of them. Dude was proud as hell about his spiffy new truck too. He ended up returning the lumber the next day. I think he just wanted to show off to his wife or something.
06-02-2017 , 06:58 PM
On the subject of large trucks.

I was informed by a trumpkin yesterday that I can't advocate for remaining in the Paris accords because I drive a lifted diesel truck that I need for work instead of a Prius or something. Good luck hauling 2000 pounds of paint in the back of a Prius.
06-02-2017 , 07:08 PM
FOX has some retired general and chair for the Institute of War as thier big gun on climate change.
06-02-2017 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
On the subject of large trucks.

I was informed by a trumpkin yesterday that I can't advocate for remaining in the Paris accords because I drive a lifted diesel truck that I need for work instead of a Prius or something. Good luck hauling 2000 pounds of paint in the back of a Prius.
I spent about 18 months driving a Triumph GT6 as a custom home builder. Yes, it was my work vehicle that I loaded it with tools and supplies and went to job sites with.

No, it wasn't very practical at all. But fun!
06-02-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I spent about 18 months driving a Triumph GT6 as a custom home builder. Yes, it was my work vehicle that I loaded it with tools and supplies and went to job sites with.

No, it wasn't very practical at all. But fun!
That seems, uh, difficult.

Probably a blast though.
06-02-2017 , 07:23 PM
Had to look up what a GT6 was. Sweet.
06-02-2017 , 07:24 PM
06-02-2017 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sofocused978
FOX has some retired general and chair for the Institute of War as thier big gun on climate change.
I wonder how the general feels about the military fighting climate change.
06-02-2017 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sofocused978
Had to look up what a GT6 was. Sweet.
It's a criminally overlooked model. Basically the poor man's E-Type.
06-02-2017 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I hope you are right but I'm curious why you think the right on the court will act any differently than the rest of right in government? Isn't the current atmosphere exactly what they will use to push their agenda?
I'm not even saying the right on the supreme court wouldn't eventually uphold the ban (although I don't think they will). What I'm saying is, they're not going to hear it at the preliminary injunction stage. The case hasn't been litigated yet, its a very early stage in the proceeding, and the supreme court very very rarely gets involved at this stage. Remember, if this gets past this stage to an actual evidentiary portion where the lower court holds hearings the sham reasoning being used by the president to justify the ban can become even more untenable.
06-02-2017 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Didn't he step down as editor in Jan or something?

I don't think he has any role with the company now besides an ownership stake.
06-02-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
If anyone stumbled across this on YouTube I'd love a link. I'm in Alaska with no cable and intermittent internet at the moment.
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...-accord/216762

      
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