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06-02-2017 , 11:22 AM

#38001

th14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

so I'll be that guy

To be fair to trump, we really didn't give a **** about climate change so the outrage over an agreement that's probably about worthless on that front anyway has gotta be totally ****ing with his mind.

Not that I mind, but boy is there some overlevel of outrage over a weak at best agreement.

I obv agree we really need to stop ****ing up the planet, but we needed to start that awhile ago. Trump's problem on this is simply he might be the end of the last chance at mitigating the carnage and lol us.

To truly be fair to trump, 70% of Americans supported staying in the Accord, yet he left because 1) this involves government activity so he can pander to his base by pretending it was a job killer 2) it pisses off liberals 3) it distracts slightly from Russia

06-02-2017 , 11:23 AM

#38002

microbet

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Clovis,

Good post.

The binding of binding agreements doesn't always mean much to powerful countries anyway. We routinely ignore international courts and have veto power in many international organisations.

Paris was more necessary than awesome.

Big parts of the US are going to continue with the climate goals set in Paris at least. (30 mayors and 3 governors so far.
Gov of NY and CA included representing about 50 million Americans. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....dards.amp.html)

06-02-2017 , 11:26 AM

#38003

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So the current tally of GOP congresscritters who have actually done something about Trump stands firmly at 0. Just a reminder

06-02-2017 , 11:27 AM

#38004

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The good news is that I'm going to completely own my family in the next meeting.
I want to see my aunt defending this **** , lol

Edit: my dad is going to own me though because he thinks that democracy doesn't work because people are too stupid.

06-02-2017 , 11:28 AM

#38005

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Originally Posted by Riverman

So the current tally of GOP congresscritters who have actually done something about Trump stands firmly at 0. Just a reminder

Meditating on their depth of their troubled mental state is something.

06-02-2017 , 11:29 AM

#38006

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Originally Posted by microbet

Good post.

The binding of binding agreements doesn't always mean much to powerful countries anyway. We routinely ignore international courts and have veto power in many international organisations.

Paris was more necessary than awesome.

Big parts of the US are going to continue with the climate goals set in Paris at least. (30 mayors and 3 governors so far. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....dards.amp.html)

I strongly disagree it wasn't awesome. It was awesome. That is not to say it was the final goal or the end of global agreement or deals on climate change.

It's role was two things; first get everyone to agree climate change is real and second that something has to be done about it.

This was awesome in every sense of the word!

It was a step in the direction of the goal and arguably the most difficult one to take.

06-02-2017 , 11:45 AM

#38007

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Ossoff's lead in GA has evaporated

06-02-2017 , 11:52 AM

#38008

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Originally Posted by dlk9s

This is true, Joshua.

Meh,
-massive population control
- large advances in technology

If there are any survivors their grandchildren would probably have it better

06-02-2017 , 11:54 AM

#38009

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Meh,
-massive population control
- large advances in technology

If there are any survivors their grandchildren would probably have it better

Pretty sure Kevin Costner already painted that picture for us in his many docu-dramas

06-02-2017 , 11:54 AM

#38010

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

The good news is that I'm going to completely own my family in the next meeting.
I want to see my aunt defending this **** , lol

Edit: my dad is going to own me though because he thinks that democracy doesn't work because people are too stupid.

That's a good argument for why it isn't optimal, but there are currently no better alternatives. Need to start spending more money on education and less of defense.

06-02-2017 , 11:58 AM

#38011

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White House Orders Federal Agencies to Ignore Oversight Requests by Dems

Tremendous transparency there Chump

He's a lock to claim executive privilege before Comey testifies

06-02-2017 , 12:03 PM

#38012

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

He could tell the mouth breathers tomorrow that he passed health care and tax reform and 75% of them would be celebrating their own demise.

06-02-2017 , 12:06 PM

#38013

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That's a good argument for why it isn't optimal, but there are currently no better alternatives. Need to start spending more money on education and less of defense.

The single most important issue facing the US is education, the lack of it has resulted in this administration.

George Bush knew it and spent fortunes of education, Obama knew it even more and increased the funding massively again. Trump and Devos will probably cut it.

06-02-2017 , 12:06 PM

#38014

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Originally Posted by Namath12

White House Orders Federal Agencies to Ignore Oversight Requests by Dems

Tremendous transparency there Chump

He's a lock to claim executive privilege before Comey testifies

I think he's a lock to claim everything he can come up with, thinking it's a freeroll.

06-02-2017 , 12:06 PM

#38015

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Originally Posted by bombonca

Can someone explain to me Trump's decision-making process to exit Paris agreement. Ovewhelming pressure from the whole world but yet he gieas ahead with it. It really makes no sense. Is it some promise he made to Koch brothers and others during his campaign or just personal interest or both?

The legacy of Obama. Trump is on a vengeful mission to make everything Obama did irrelevant. Why? Because Obama trashed him during the White House Correspondent's Dinner a few years ago.

06-02-2017 , 12:08 PM

#38016

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Originally Posted by Our House

I think he's a lock to claim everything he can come up with, thinking it's a freeroll.

For him it probably is. That's the sad! part.

I don't think even the most conservative court can rule in his favor on executive privilege wrt Comey though. You don't get to go on TV and give your side of the conversation and then claim EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE YOU NO TALK! when the other guy wants to give his side, that's not how the privilege works.

06-02-2017 , 12:10 PM

#38017

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Originally Posted by Namath12

White House Orders Federal Agencies to Ignore Oversight Requests by Dems

Tremendous transparency there Chump

He's a lock to claim executive privilege before Comey testifies

Trump is too stupid and widely dispised and disrespected to pull off all the **** he's pulling. He'll at least be resigned in disgrace by 2020 if not in prison or dead.

06-02-2017 , 12:11 PM

#38018

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Yeah they plan on making huge cuts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.6fececd4fb91

06-02-2017 , 12:12 PM

#38019

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Originally Posted by bombonca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Our House

So the Paris accord withdrawal helped Russia a bunch. I brought that up yesterday and just wanted to expand on it.

BIGGEST WINNERS
1. Saudi Arabiaa
2. Russia
3. China

Russia is still a freaking mysterious bastard. Never even a verbal attack, and they continue to taunt us militarily, politically and psychologically on a regular basis, while Trump takes pro-Russia actions over and over for nothing in return, except for Trump personally. And we WILL figure out exactly what those benefits are.

As for the others, let's keep in mind that Trump gunned hard for both China and SA during the campaign and for a lot of his private life. Then he has the "most productive meetings of his presidency with each of their leaders recently, yet was barely able to cite benefits to the US. It looks like he and Ivanka got a good amount out of the meetings though. Either way, Trump did full 180s on both countries right after each meeting.

BIGGEST LOSERS
1. Earth
2. America
3. Europe, particularly Germany and France.

Aside from the planet, which comes and goes from speeches depending on Trump's whims and opportunities, #2 is (accidentally?) the steady loser. #3 is a spite loser.

I hope some important people in the right places are keeping accurate track of all this mess. We can't count on GOP to get it right, or admit any of the events even occurred. They keep tripping over their own memories for some random reason.

Someone questioned loser #3, but you get the idea. That's how things look based on the evidence so far.

06-02-2017 , 12:18 PM

#38020

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I'd immediately dismiss this if literally any other person was our president

https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/s...56826512510976

06-02-2017 , 12:23 PM

#38021

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Originally Posted by StimAbuser

Yeah they plan on making huge cuts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.6fececd4fb91

The voucher plan is a terrible terrible idea.

It amazes me that people can be anti federal student loans but pro voucher.

06-02-2017 , 12:27 PM

#38022

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Originally Posted by RV Life

The legacy of Obama. Trump is on a vengeful mission to make everything Obama did irrelevant. Why? Because Obama trashed him during the White House Correspondent's Dinner a few years ago.

Let's see what else...

1) He left breadcrumbs of info around Washington to implicate Trump in stuff.

2) He warned Trump about Flynn.

3) He's at the center of many right wing conspiracy theories, most of which Trump believes.

4) He's the obvious Democrat predecessor scapegoat.

5) He was a political opponent who campaigned against Trump.

6) Trump is jealous of his ratings and popular accomplishments.

06-02-2017 , 12:32 PM

#38023

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Originally Posted by Our House

7) He's black.

06-02-2017 , 12:33 PM

#38024

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Oh wow. I thought it was 51/49 for Republicans looking to stay in the Paris accord, but it was only 51/26! The rest abstained.

For Dems, it was 86% stay. Low IMO.