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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

06-01-2017 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueWillow
How will you Americans deal with being #2/3/4 etc in the future? I'm guessing not well.

The only Americans that think America #1 are the #MAGA dopes. Trump doing this only reconfirms in their minds that we are now fulfilling that promise.
06-01-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
If the possibility that the US might not be #1 in the future attracted voters to Trump, I shudder to think how they'll react when that day actually comes.
Lol at thinking those people will ever gain any legitimate perspective.
06-01-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueWillow
All empires come to an end at some point and Trump would appear to be leading the US's demise as #1 world leader who everyone looks too. China/EU time to step up and claim the mantle.

Let's not kid ourselves withdrawing from this means nothing in real terms - renewables are better value or soon will be significantly better value (insert arguing). It's a big step away from the world stage in reality.

How will you Americans deal with being #2/3/4 etc in the future? I'm guessing not well.
At the end of WWII America had about 50% of the wealth of the world. Now that's down to like 25%, but trans-national companies, mostly based in America, now have about 50% of the wealth of the world. The new empire isn't China or the EU or the US, but the teeny tiny nation of boards of directors and large investors.
06-01-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
If the possibility that the US might not be #1 in the future attracted voters to Trump, I shudder to think how they'll react when that day actually comes.
They won't. Like einbert said, they live in their own world and they'll find a way to change that reality to suit their preconceived notions.
06-01-2017 , 05:32 PM
Nice distraction. Back to Russia though...

Is the Paris decision good or bad for PUTIN? Just curious.
06-01-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
At the end of WWII America had about 50% of the wealth of the world. Now that's down to like 25%, but trans-national companies, mostly based in America, now have about 50% of the wealth of the world. The new empire isn't China or the EU or the US, but the teeny tiny nation of boards of directors and large investors.
That is definitely true, and certainly the present. I do think countries will finally get more savvy with dealing with corporations in the not so distant future. In the UK we have the relatively common problem that they pay **** all tax - but to think there are no solutions to this is probably wrong.
06-01-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Nice distraction. Back to Russia though...

Is the Paris decision good or bad for PUTIN? Just curious.
Putin's number one foreign policy goal is to create space and mistrust between the U.S. and E.U. Or at least one of his biggest goals. It's a tremendous victory for Russia and let's all not forget we are at war right now.
06-01-2017 , 05:34 PM
it is hilarious that trump is SO CONCERNED about other countries laughing at us, after his disastrous trip abroad where he alienated so many allies and made himself and our country a global laughingstock
06-01-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
it is hilarious that trump is SO CONCERNED about other countries laughing at us, after his disastrous trip abroad where he alienated so many allies and made himself and our country a global laughingstock
No, we feel sorry for you and due to globalization ourselves too.
06-01-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
If the possibility that the US might not be #1 in the future attracted voters to Trump, I shudder to think how they'll react when that day actually comes.
Easy: They blame the liberal government that came after Trump. Most people dont get that Strategic decisions take years to show results. That is why Trump can and will boast with a couple of good numbers that are actually from the Obama era. Many of the things Trump does now, wont fall on his but on the next governments feet.
06-01-2017 , 05:39 PM
Can the leaders of the G7 temporarily suspend the US and make it the G6 again
06-01-2017 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
it is hilarious that trump is SO CONCERNED about other countries laughing at us, after his disastrous trip abroad where he alienated so many allies and made himself and our country a global laughingstock
It's not so much that people are laughing at the US, we've had our fill tbh over the last few years. It's more that you aren't going to be the first point of call in the future.

I'm no international relation expert / business expert - but that appears to be leaving money on the table.
06-01-2017 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
A video representing what Donald Trump did today

im not sure just how sincerely I was hoping the car would jerk sideways and slam into the cameraman.
06-01-2017 , 05:48 PM
I've never hated someone so much in my entire life. I will be filled with immense joy when trump dies. Hopefully it is slow and very painful.
06-01-2017 , 05:50 PM
Trump signs waiver keeping US embassy in Tel Aviv

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...sy-in-tel-aviv

Goodbye (thankfully) to another campaign promise.
06-01-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Nice distraction. Back to Russia though...

Is the Paris decision good or bad for PUTIN? Just curious.
In 2014 around 68% of Russia's exports have been gas and oil. But most of it goes to Europe and Asia
06-01-2017 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
A lot of people won't deal with it. Why would they have to? It's an abstract concept and like any other abstract concept they'll just lie to themselves. In fact in a lot of GOP voters' minds this makes America greater than ever because it's a huge middle finger to the civilized world.
In talking to Trump supporters today that last sentence is pretty darn accurate. Clowns.
06-01-2017 , 05:58 PM
leaving paris seems to be more of a symbolic failure than anything else since it's non-binding. Basically showing the world US has resigned as #1.

Ofc, that message alone will be awful for us, but trump not smart enough to know that.
06-01-2017 , 05:59 PM
Not often you hear "draconian" and "non-binding" in the same sentence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvsTIsPmyic&t=8m30s
06-01-2017 , 05:59 PM
in the grand scheme of things,

pulling out of paris > lower approval > more likely for congress to impeach during russian investigation > trump out > gop loses 2020(2018?) crushingly > usa not out of paris
06-01-2017 , 06:08 PM
Leaving the Paris agreement is another example of the hollowness of the modern Republican party.

This obviously never happens if not for the mind-numbingly stupid view among conservatives that climate change is a hoax. And where did that come from?

Sure, you could argue it came about in part through fossil fuel companies pushing an agenda. But I would argue most of it arose simply because liberals were on the other side. That's it.

Al Gore made a movie? **** that guy. Obama was in favor of the Paris agreement? **** that guy.

"**** liberals" is now the crux of the conservative movement. It's why "liberal tears" was all you heard after the election. It's why whataboutism is rampant. It's why if you go to The_Donald or any other conservative forum, you STILL see a ton of threads about liberal villains -- the Clintons, George Soros, Elizabeth Warren, etc.

Last edited by JoltinJake; 06-01-2017 at 06:16 PM.
06-01-2017 , 06:12 PM
This is an actual line from the story on fox.com right now about trump leaving the Paris Accord.

"Leaving the accord aligns the United States with Syria and Nicaragua."
06-01-2017 , 06:14 PM
I grew up in the 80's and early 90's. I remember being in 3rd or 4th grade (born in 1975) and global warming was always a "problem for the future." There was no left/right spin on it. Things were OK now, but sooner or later, we would have to address it. At some point it became politicalized. Just talk to the average GOP slappy and they will tell you that solar energy/wind power is still up for debate. It's insane.
06-01-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
"**** liberals" is now the crux of the conservative movement. It's why "liberal tears" was all you heard after the election. It's why whataboutism is rampant. It's why if you go to The_Donald or any other conservative forum, you STILL see a ton of threads about liberal villains -- the Clintons, George Soros, Elizabeth Warren, etc.
LOL, on the first page of The_Donald right now, there are literally:

- 8 threads about Hillary Clinton
- 2 threads about "liberal tears" or similar
- 1 thread about George Soros
- 1 thread about "Globalists"
- 1 thread about Megyn Kelly, which includes a cartoon of her masturbating to a picture of Alex Jones
06-01-2017 , 06:21 PM
i just went over there for the first time to have a look, and mother of god what a cesspool

      
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