Yes I certainly don't need losings support. Being a trump supporter instantly negates anyone's ability to say anything intelligent. It's a perfect litmus test.

That commercial is awful.

You seem to have the impression that I (and other environmentalists) don't believe stuff like this. I do believe it. I know a guy who was a career manager of a large refinery in SoCal (I installed solar at his house). I know that in the 60's the beach was on fire underground for years and I know that the groundwater under part of the refinery is about 20 feet of jet fuel. But, I also know that nowadays if someone knocks over a quart of motor oil they have fire fighters come, inspections, reports, and could even shut down systems.

Yeah, they follow the law and now it's fairly strict in regards to local surface pollution and in particulate emission. They didn't want those laws though. Individuals operate under them and may take pride in the cleanliness of the modern facility, but the corporation does what it must and lobbies for its interest. And, still, it's a source of a lot of problems.

I'm for an all-of-the-above energy policy. Regulate fossil fuel extraction production and use, obstruct fossil fuel extraction production and use, and promote and develop alternatives and efficiency.

of course the first time donald trump lets people back into a home after being evicted it's the russians.

We badly need to stop using oil for the whole not ruining the planet for no god damn reason other than greed thing so ofc with trump it's drill EVERYWHERE.

For a while oil companies made most of the solar panels in the world. ARCO, Shell and BP all made photovoltaic panels.

I recently priced solar panels for my house and it's still more than a 20 year return where I live. I'm still doing it but government needs to start subsidizing this more heavily if it going to become mainstream.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=5767

Goofyballer just posted about Trump getting an ethics waiver to hire an oil, gas and coal lobbiest who had lobbied against Obama's strengthening of environmental regulations. What's relevant to the conversation itt is not just that Trump is a corrupt ahole or that the lobbiest is, but that Devon Energy and Talen Energy hires people to lobby against environmental regulation of their industry. Does that surprise anyone?

One thing is you practically live in the arctic (maybe not to you, but to me).

How much do you pay for electricity?

Also, you know prices vary a TON for installation? How many kilowatts and what price?

And it's hella mainstream in Southern California. About 160000 homes got solar in California in 2015.

Clovis,

Based on a few minutes research it looks like Alberta caps electric rates. It used to be capped at a super low 3.8 cents/kwh and now capped at a still fairly low 6.8 cents/kwh. The government subsidizes electricity so you're basically being discouraged from producing your own.
(seems like some people pay 11 cents or so /kwh ?)

https://www.efficiencyalberta.ca/solar/

This info on incentives is incredibly vague.

That is just one of those things they say. What they mean is they want to be able to say what they want but restrict what others say. MAGA

I know I've solared the hell out of this thread, but aside from the somewhat more well known problems with the SOLYNDRAAAAAHH outcry from the right (it was a loan program with a 2% default rate which made the Federal Gov a profit), I don't think most people know how unusual a product Solyndra had.



The concept minimized the amount of silicon used because at one time it was quite expensive, but it made for a much more expensive physical panel outside of the silicon. Even before the product was on the market, silicon prices had dropped a lot and they continued to drop as refining grew. Silicon is not rare at all, but requires refining.

It may have sounded like a good idea when they got the loan, but it was pretty clear it was going to fail and it really shouldn't be generalized to other solar products, although the industry is very very competitive and prices are always dropping. It's very difficult especially for manufacturers.

Can't believe they're reopening those compounds Obama shut down because of spying and possible tampering with the election. They know how bad it looks. WTF? Like they could just set up other compounds. I don't get it.

Is it just the ol' look we didn't do anything bad, if we did we wouldn't do something this stupid? Or just an F you to Obama to make his base happy?

I mean youd think even if they were innocent they'd wait till the investigation was over.

From what I gather this is Russia's legit twitter for their American Embassy



So even aside from the possible corruption angle on this, Trump legit got punked by Russia. That is a horrible look and should be more horrible PR for the administration. At this point they have to have leverage on him for him to do something this stupid.

After the G20 i read in the newspaper something that went like this.

"... China uses the chance to portray itself as defender of free trade against the USA."

We are living in a different world now.

It might have been enough to just praise him, his foresight and his very good leadership skills and then lament a bit about how unfair US media treats him with all those fake news. They probably just asked and he said yes, because all he knows is that Obama did it to punish collusion with the Russians, and as Trump thinks there was no collusion, why not? Those Russian guys seem nice anyway.

I think Russia just accepted the fact that there is man child in office pretty fast and plays it according to it. While the rest of the world is still shaking its heads and thinks you actually can get Trump on your side with arguments, while the only currency that counts for him is praise (and money).

Trump wants this photo of his dodgy tan removed from the internet. Please do not share.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/02/11/...ase-not-share/

Looks like one too many golden showers of spray tan.

All regulations are detrimental to corporate profits fyi.

The intelligence community is going to be in a real frenzy over this one. Russia threatens our strongman President with "counter measures" and he caves instantly?

I'd venture that perhaps most regulations are favorable to long-term corporate profits.

So question: the ethics wavers, have others done this?

Yes this is the problem. Plus we are not allowed to come off the grid entirely so must still pay fees etc even if we produce 100% of our own electricity.

Our provincial government is using our new carbon tax to fund incentives like solar, energy efficient appliances, thermostats, and light bulbs. This is all good. Sucks to be me that I've already spent tens of thousands over the past 5 years making my home very green.

I just registered my townhouse complex as the largest non-commercial LEED certified project in Canada. This kind of thing is slowly becoming the norm.

meanwhile you sit here and lecture us about how big corporations and industries in america, despite all their lobbying efforts to the contrary, totes have the cleanliness of the environment as a priority and readily accept regulations to protect it

like, you know that one of the first things trump did since getting in office is repeal regulations on lead concentration in gasoline, get rid of minimum fuel efficiency standards, and re-classify greenhouse gasses as non-pollutants so that industries don't have to regulate their output, right?

what effect do you think that rolling back of regulations has on the products used most by americans that largely contribute to our carbon footprint, and thus its overall size? acting like big oil/gas/manufacturing industries have our best interests at heart and don't shoulder a huge chunk of the responsibility for pollution and climate change is ridiculous.

oh but you run an environmental consulting firm in canada and you work with some companies that aren't hostile about the licensing process for undertaking new construction projects, ergo resistance to environmental regulation on the corporate side in america is not a pressing issue nor is it a driving force behind the problem of usa#1 falling behind "CHINA!" in renewable energy development. good logic.

The real world is not black and white. Welcome to nuanced debate. It's a complex world requiring complex politics. Not everything corporations do is evil just like not every regulation is bad.

Obama did like 20 over 8 years. Trump's done like 17 already. The main issue is that Obama made them public and posted them online (and not all waivers are the same by any means). Trump was fighting to keep the waivers secret until the head of the office of govt ethics wrote him a detailed letter saying, basically, "Your arguments are BS and if you try to keep them secret we'll go to the mat."


"They also reveal a president who is granting ethics waivers at an unusually rapid pace. The 17 senior White House appointees were all granted waivers in the past four months. His predecessor, Barack Obama, granted that same number of waivers to his top staff over the course of his eight years in office. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009