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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-31-2017 , 10:19 PM
Unfortunately that Twilight Zone had a very weak ending. Ivanka is the woman at the end and it wasn't believable in the TZ story and it's not happening this time either.
05-31-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
That's a lot of jobs for an accord that's non binding.
I guess Mason will have to lay off the rest of the staff that was still standing after Obamacare.
05-31-2017 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Any of the Republicans would have pulled out of Paris.
right. everyone hates trump bc he is an idiot and a lunatic but really it is much better that he is president than someone more competent. they would be able implement the republican's evil agenda much more efficiently. really, trump is the dems best friend.
05-31-2017 , 10:38 PM
LOL, really Clovis? Next up, random finance bro tells us how all kinds of super duper awesome finance execs are totally fine with "reasonable" regulation?
05-31-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
right. everyone hates trump bc he is an idiot and a lunatic but really it is much better that he is president than someone more competent. they would be able implement the republican's evil agenda much more efficiently. really, trump is the dems best friend.
Trump will probably get less evil accomplished than other Republicans, but there's more risk.
05-31-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I think I'm finally ready to pronounce a generalized doctrine for Trump to follow in all matters, foreign and domestic: The Constanza Doctrine.

It's simple: evaluate all options, decide on the best course of action, do the opposite.
In most cases I'm not even sure it's possible to do the opposite of what Trump sees as the best course of action.
05-31-2017 , 10:44 PM
I've been entertaining the notion that maybe we are better off leaving him in office as long as possible. I'm not really there yet for a variety of reasons, but the idea has appeal. The nuclear war scenario seems increasingly unlikely since I don't think he would know how to do it or be able to find people to help him. We're just left with the horrible executive orders and whatever damage Sessions can do, which unfortunately is quite a bit.
05-31-2017 , 10:46 PM
Trump's VORP is rising due to sheer incompetence.
05-31-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Trump will probably get less evil accomplished than other Republicans, but there's more risk.
Agree - Pence is insurance, -EV, but protects against catastrophic downside.
05-31-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Reading conservative forums, and the main argument for pulling out of the Paris deal is that lack of regulation will drive companies to innovate clean energy technologies faster via the free market correcting itself

WUT.
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Originally Posted by otatop
This is similar to the plan for gutting "entitlements", people will have so much more money they'll start charitable foundations to take the place of social security and medicare. Can't even imagine why we started those dumb programs in the first place.
I was thinkng its like the old canard about cold water boiling faster than hot water.
05-31-2017 , 11:04 PM
https://www.leftscoop.com/2017/06/do...nton-problems/

Donald Trump Going CRAZY On Twitter, Blaming “Crooked Hillary Clinton” For All His Problems!
05-31-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by oscark
There was an NPR story within the last 10 days on this very subject. A ton of oil and gas companies give outstanding lip service to the environment, while giving huge sums of money to trade associations and lobbying firms whose goal is exactly the opposite.
When I see those Exxon (I think?) commercials with some scientist talking about farming energy from algae while wearing a hip quirky t-shirt it's like "hmm, yeah, seems like you guys might be trying to compensate here"

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Originally Posted by Riverman
LOL, really Clovis? Next up, random finance bro tells us how all kinds of super duper awesome finance execs are totally fine with "reasonable" regulation?
Does Clovis work in the industry?
05-31-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Does Clovis work in the industry?
I believe he's an archeologist and assesses sites and artifacts often for the purpose of evaluating the impact of fossil fuel exploration.
05-31-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
LOL, really Clovis? Next up, random finance bro tells us how all kinds of super duper awesome finance execs are totally fine with "reasonable" regulation?
I don't work in the finance sector so I wouldn't presume to speak for them. I have however worked in the environmental sector for 20 years so perhaps I know a little of what I speak.
05-31-2017 , 11:47 PM
I trust Clovis on this, and more generally. (Except his sometimes over the top posts.)
05-31-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I believe he's an archeologist and assesses sites and artifacts often for the purpose of evaluating the impact of fossil fuel exploration.
I was an archaeologist in my early career. I now run an environmental firm with 50 employees including biologists, agrologists, climate modellers, soils scientists, regulatory experts and archaeologists. We work for government, oil and gas, infrastructure and development clients. I've worked on policy and regulatory development for some time as well.
05-31-2017 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I trust Clovis on this, and more generally. (Except his sometimes over the top posts.)
Trust him on what exactly? That the oil and gas industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying for something other than loose environmental regulations and low taxes?
05-31-2017 , 11:52 PM
Trump Exempts Entire Senior Staff From White House Ethics Rules

After a pointed exchange with ethics officials, the White House has released a list of waivers to Trump’s ethics rules—and Kellyanne Conway, Steve Bannon, and more are exempted.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-e...e-ethics-rules
05-31-2017 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Trust him on what exactly? That the oil and gas industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying for something other than loose environmental regulations and low taxes?
I'm not really following the oil and gas stuff.

I trust him on most things. Her's smart and experienced and thinks for himself.
06-01-2017 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
When I see those Exxon (I think?) commercials with some scientist talking about farming energy from algae while wearing a hip quirky t-shirt it's like "hmm, yeah, seems like you guys might be trying to compensate here"
Totally agree. Industry has done a terrible job explaining how they operate and what role regulation plays in thier operations.

I can only speak for Canada but would it surprise you to know that the average oil and gas project is subject to thousands of regulations? Before applying for a license they are heavily vetted for thier location and environmental impacts including assessments of soils, vegetation, wildlife, wetlands, hydrology, First Nations, historical resources, air modelling, noise, greenhouse gas and community effects. Once approved they are audited regularly and must provide a bond in case they become insolvent to ensure thier reclamation liability is covered. They are held liable for life for any releases of product or contamination no matter the cause or if it's an accident. This all typically adds up to about 5% of the total costs for an average project.

That being said of course there are bad actors. The regulator I work with recently had to pull the operating liscence for a company because they continually ignored these regulations.
06-01-2017 , 12:02 AM
I hate to see Clovis flail like this. Your herp derpers don't want the truth, they want what the Fox ******s want; A safe space for their narrative.


Oil man= cartoon villain

06-01-2017 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I was an archaeologist in my early career. I now run an environmental firm with 50 employees including biologists, agrologists, climate modellers, soils scientists, regulatory experts and archaeologists. We work for government, oil and gas, infrastructure and development clients. I've worked on policy and regulatory development for some time as well.
I don't follow the pipeline stuff too closely and I don't have very strong opinions one way or the other. I suspect there is a fair bit of validity to your point of view. However,

Spoiler:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"
-Upton Sinclair
06-01-2017 , 12:09 AM
Why are the democrats being such feckless cowards? What will it take for them to take a stand? How has the entire democratic caucus from the House and Senate not walked to the Whitehouse and refused to leave until Trump agrees to remain in the Paris Accord?

Your country is seriously being passed by China as a stewards of the environment. CHINA! CHINA!
06-01-2017 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I don't follow the pipeline stuff too closely and I don't have very strong opinions one way or the other. I suspect there is a fair bit of validity to your point of view. However,

Spoiler:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"
-Upton Sinclair
Fair retort but I am for regulation on the industry and a strong supporter of the carbon tax which incidentally we have provincially and soon federally in Canada.
06-01-2017 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Losing all
I hate to see Clovis flail like this. Your herp derpers don't want the truth, they want what the Fox ******s want; A safe space for their narrative.
Fitting for this idiocy to come right after a liberal says he trusts Clovis.

This is the ad I mentioned earlier:


      
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