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05-31-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
What has she ever done to help/benefit the US?
Unlike our active president, she hasn't been destroying the country.
05-31-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Um yes.

Your suggestion is that if Canada made tar sands extraction illegal and blocked new pipeline construction that the black market would extract the oil, process it, build pipelines and operate them. And still deliver it at competitive prices.

Come on.

The Canadian government could 100% block the industry. We probably wouldn't even invade you for doing it.


That's not my suggestion. My suggestion is that the tar sands aren't 'the problem'. And while there might be better options for oil they are in no way close to being better enough to deal with climate change.

So your idea that someone should go block the pipeline (or the trucks, or whatever) as some meaningful action is ineffective. Canada blocking tar sands development is ineffective. I don't imagine there would be much much delivered black market style. But there *would* be increased oil extraction somewhere else.

And, so, thinking a specific supply is the problem is absolutely not solving the problem. Same with drugs. Stopping drugs from one country doesn't stop the drug problem because there'll always be someone else willing to supply the goods as long as people are spending vast amounts of money to get it.
05-31-2017 , 03:08 PM
Per Spicy you now have to go through Trump's private attorney for all your Russia Investigation needs

05-31-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Stephen Moore on CNN: "The fact is, we have a climate change deal negotiated by Barack Obama when we should have a climate change deal negotiated by this president."

Wow. What a great ****ing argument, idiot. You're not supposed to be saying this stuff out loud, idiot.
This stuck out to me as well. If we are going to just rehash old **** every time we get a new president then we will just spin in circles until we are dead. This is the rights aregument for everything. If Obama did it, it must be bad.

The deal maker president can't actually make any deals. Instead of pulling out of the whole thing, suggest some changes and show us how to make a deal.
05-31-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Every single economic environmental report that Greenpeace has ever put out.
http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/...nt-in-Ontario/
is one example
I thought we were talking about climate change, not how ****ty Greenpeace is.

Anyway, not the thread, derail, #covfefe etc.
05-31-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Whoever called that Convfefe would be good for the administration was so right. Everyone is talking about it and very few talking about Trump pulling out of Paris deal.
People are far more outraged for that vs anything else he does.

The flaw of democracy, when the majority of people act like children, that's the president you get.
05-31-2017 , 03:10 PM
"The president and a small group of people know what he meant"

Lying sack of ****
05-31-2017 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
What has she ever done to help/benefit the US?
This question is a non starter sorry. That's not how international relationships work. They have been one of our strongest allies both in terms of governments and economies. Imagine if we applied your premise to literally every country we have relations with.
05-31-2017 , 03:17 PM
Less than ten minutes. Not a single coherent answer. And at the end, he called Trump the "ultimate decider." Textbook facism. Lovely
05-31-2017 , 03:17 PM
I went to Breitbart just now just to see what it's like, and my phone's browser was immediately hijacked. I have never had this happen on this phone from any website.

Seems fitting, really.
05-31-2017 , 03:18 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/869982322220716034

Those who don't live in the same glass houses as their husband shouldn't throw stones.
05-31-2017 , 03:28 PM
The fact that covfefe ever escaped being a joke on the twittersphere and is actually being asked and written about by real journalists is another entry in the laundry list of reasons that WAAF
05-31-2017 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
This stuck out to me as well. If we are going to just rehash old **** every time we get a new president then we will just spin in circles until we are dead. This is the rights aregument for everything. If Obama did it, it must be bad.

The deal maker president can't actually make any deals. Instead of pulling out of the whole thing, suggest some changes and show us how to make a deal.
Trump reminds me of this dude that was in my Negotiations class when I went to business school.

He didn't like me (basically because I had a sense of humor and wasn't a business school phony) and we got paired up in a negotiation assignment. We each had a narrative and a side to play. I read the scenario, did some short prep, and commenced with the discussion. He literally refused to negotiate with me. I didn't believe it at first, so I kept trying, and he just sat there.

I finally gave in and asked him what was up. He told me that he didn't like me, so he was willing to tank his own grade just to tank mine.

I explained it to the professor after class. He told me he knew that guy was an *******, so he gave me an alternate assignment.

If only there was a professor to whom we could appeal about Trump.
05-31-2017 , 03:31 PM
I miss seeing Spicy's sad face
05-31-2017 , 03:32 PM
Isn't that Kathy Griffin photo exactly what all the people on the right want? Completely anti-PC freedom of speech without regard to feelings?
05-31-2017 , 03:32 PM
In the same day Trump is going to withdrawal from the most significant global political agreement since NATO, the media is spending tons of time talking about his typo on twitter and an actresses bad art.

Trump is winning this game and we are all losing badly, in many ways due to our own failures.
05-31-2017 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
This question is a non starter sorry. That's not how international relationships work. They have been one of our strongest allies both in terms of governments and economies. Imagine if we applied your premise to literally every country we have relations with.
That's exactly how they work.
05-31-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
That's not my suggestion. My suggestion is that the tar sands aren't 'the problem'. And while there might be better options for oil they are in no way close to being better enough to deal with climate change.

So your idea that someone should go block the pipeline (or the trucks, or whatever) as some meaningful action is ineffective. Canada blocking tar sands development is ineffective. I don't imagine there would be much much delivered black market style. But there *would* be increased oil extraction somewhere else.

And, so, thinking a specific supply is the problem is absolutely not solving the problem. Same with drugs. Stopping drugs from one country doesn't stop the drug problem because there'll always be someone else willing to supply the goods as long as people are spending vast amounts of money to get it.
I'm not sure an individual who is not a billionaire or a political leader could do anything better for the environment than put their body in the way of pipeline construction. Oil, at least in some sectors, is competing with cleaner alternatives. Making oil more expensive, whether through carbon taxes, cap and trade, or blocking pipelines is a boon to alternatives. Yes, there needs to be alternatives if we are to use energy. Through efficiency we can use less energy, through things like solar we can generate clean energy, but blocking the dirty competition results in less carbon in the atmosphere during the transition.

Pretty epic strawmanning if you are suggesting that the claim "blocking the pipeline is good for the environment" is equivalent to "blocking the pipeline is the one and only thing that needs to be done". All fossil fuel extraction should be hindered and in places that are not dominated by brutal authoritarian regimes like Saudi Arabia, there is generally going to be obstruction. It happens in the tar sands of Alberta, the rain forests of Ecuador, on the coast of California, and in the port of Seattle.

Also, you're wrong about "they are in no way close to being better enough to deal with climate change".

Last edited by microbet; 05-31-2017 at 03:38 PM.
05-31-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
The fact that covfefe ever escaped being a joke on the twittersphere and is actually being asked and written about by real journalists is another entry in the laundry list of reasons that WAAF
It was pretty thin even as a twitter joke. It's like the time everyone earnestly shared that crazy game theory rant before they realized it was crazy. Hands down the most interesting thing about twitter is these weird tulip bubbles than spring up around things that are objectively dumb.
05-31-2017 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
That's exactly how they work.
Oh my bad, I forgot we get an equitable return for all of the resources we send abroad (including third world countries). Lol at thinking Merkel hasn't done anything to help advance the US's interests. Not to mention there are obvious limits towards what a leader can achieve through that process anyways.
05-31-2017 , 03:44 PM
campfirewest is totally one of those dudes that thinks his tax dollars shouldn't be going to public schools because he doesn't have any kids in public schools.
05-31-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservativ...eement_report/

This is the 2nd top rated comment behind " America First. "



That's a start. You could also visit The_Donald subreddit if you're brave enough. Same stuff is spewed over there
the great part about this is that this guy probably thinks he's some sort of genius. though i don't doubt he's not an intellectual heavyweight on that forum
05-31-2017 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/869982322220716034

Those who don't live in the same glass houses as their husband shouldn't throw stones.
Presumably little Barron was already in bed when this happened

05-31-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservativ...eement_report/

This is the 2nd top rated comment behind " America First. "



That's a start. You could also visit The_Donald subreddit if you're brave enough. Same stuff is spewed over there
I clicked your link.

I then saw a picture of Benjamin Franklin, with this quote attributed to him:

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The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself
So

a) there is Absolute Zero (-459.67° Fahrenheit) historical evidence that Benjamin Franklin ever uttered or wrote this phrase, and

b) the phrase "pursuit of happiness" appears nowhere in the Constitution; it is in the Declaration of Independence.

I didn't bother reading any further than that.
05-31-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
It's truly absurd that MSM thinks that they need to keep Trump surrogates on to provide the appearance of "balance" or "unbiased coverage".

**** that. The media is supposed to give people the truth. Having a guy like Lord doesn't provide balance. It provides a platform for a man to spew pro-Trump rhetoric to a wide audience.

I genuinely wonder if Lord actually believes what he believes or if CNN gave him a role to play for the station.
So I read an article about that disgusting **** Roger Ailes after he died. Said he used to joke that Fox provided fair and balancing news. Image Lord believes he is doing the same.

      
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