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Originally Posted by jjshabado
That's not my suggestion. My suggestion is that the tar sands aren't 'the problem'. And while there might be better options for oil they are in no way close to being better enough to deal with climate change.
So your idea that someone should go block the pipeline (or the trucks, or whatever) as some meaningful action is ineffective. Canada blocking tar sands development is ineffective. I don't imagine there would be much much delivered black market style. But there *would* be increased oil extraction somewhere else.
And, so, thinking a specific supply is the problem is absolutely not solving the problem. Same with drugs. Stopping drugs from one country doesn't stop the drug problem because there'll always be someone else willing to supply the goods as long as people are spending vast amounts of money to get it.
I'm not sure an individual who is not a billionaire or a political leader could do anything better for the environment than put their body in the way of pipeline construction. Oil, at least in some sectors, is competing with cleaner alternatives. Making oil more expensive, whether through carbon taxes, cap and trade, or blocking pipelines is a boon to alternatives. Yes, there needs to be alternatives if we are to use energy. Through efficiency we can use less energy, through things like solar we can generate clean energy, but blocking the dirty competition results in less carbon in the atmosphere during the transition.
Pretty epic strawmanning if you are suggesting that the claim "blocking the pipeline is good for the environment" is equivalent to "blocking the pipeline is the one and only thing that needs to be done". All fossil fuel extraction should be hindered and in places that are not dominated by brutal authoritarian regimes like Saudi Arabia, there is generally going to be obstruction. It happens in the tar sands of Alberta, the rain forests of Ecuador, on the coast of California, and in the port of Seattle.
Also, you're wrong about "they are in no way close to being better enough to deal with climate change".
Last edited by microbet; 05-31-2017 at 03:38 PM.