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05-31-2017 , 12:09 PM
The Reps in the Senate will go back to blocking everything.

Basically if you own property near the beach consider selling.
05-31-2017 , 12:12 PM
So if i have some a few blocks back form a beach its a win!!
05-31-2017 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
So can't most of this be undone in 2-4 years if dems win back house & presidency?
If they are allowed to run by then.

/not sarcasm
05-31-2017 , 12:17 PM
Whoever called that Convfefe would be good for the administration was so right. Everyone is talking about it and very few talking about Trump pulling out of Paris deal.
05-31-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
So if i have some a few blocks back form a beach its a win!!
If by a few blocks you mean a state or two then yes.
05-31-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
The Reps in the Senate will go back to blocking everything.

Basically if you own property near the beach consider selling.
Or anywhere in Florida. 2 blocks from the beach near where I live and you're higher than in Orlando.
05-31-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Whoever called that Convfefe would be good for the administration was so right. Everyone is talking about it and very few talking about Trump pulling out of Paris deal.
Please let us not mutate the word as we go. It is covfefe. Convfefe is totally different.
05-31-2017 , 12:28 PM
Any of the Republicans would have pulled out of Paris.
05-31-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
We have done a lot of bad but there have also been an awful lot accomplished. Who do you think the flower children were? Pushed for ending the war in Vietnam, earth day amongst many other things.
A lot of historians have rethought the time period starting with the 60's. Originally they thought that the counterculture, anti Vietnam, Black Panthers, Days of Rage, etc were the biggest cultural events that rippled through American culture, but now they're thinking the biggest event to come out of the 60's was the creation of the Conservative movement. And if you think about it, it makes sense. No one's burning draft cards or really doing any anti war protests of importance, there are no anti establishment black organizations of any kind of significance, maybe environmentalists can claim to have some cultural cache, but the Conservative movement has been with us like something you just can't shake off for over 50 years and continues to hold a ton of political power.
05-31-2017 , 12:30 PM
I think Trump wants to pull out just as a "**** you" to the Europeans and everyone else that opposed him who supports it. He doesn't care about climate change, he's just a narcissist who wants to get petty revenge. Same with the expected reversal on Cuba policy. The actual policy itself has no bearing on his position, but only relative to which team supports it. The dems and Obama supported it? That means he will oppose it.
05-31-2017 , 12:37 PM
so the only countries not in the paris agreement were nicaragua and syria?

lol
05-31-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
A lot of historians have rethought the time period starting with the 60's. Originally they thought that the counterculture, anti Vietnam, Black Panthers, Days of Rage, etc were the biggest cultural events that rippled through American culture, but now they're thinking the biggest event to come out of the 60's was the creation of the Conservative movement. And if you think about it, it makes sense. No one's burning draft cards or really doing any anti war protests of importance, there are no anti establishment black organizations of any kind of significance, maybe environmentalists can claim to have some cultural cache, but the Conservative movement has been with us like something you just can't shake off for over 50 years and continues to hold a ton of political power.
Draft cards, there is no draft. There has been major progress in civil rights movement, feminism, sexual liberties that were all started then. That's part of the reason there are no more major movements in those areas. As for the environment, when was the last time you say a stream catch fire?
05-31-2017 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Leaks do happen, but the point is really obstruction and to make the process more expensive. And the leaks completely ignores climate change which is caused by the successful operation of this industry. The leakiest way to deliver the oil (per unit shipped) would be to have people walk it down from Alberta carrying open buckets, but that would be a much better way for the environment.
Oops, but I'm sure the corporations are charged for the cleanup and restoration?

If not they should be.
Demand for oil will drop massively in 20 years anyway, let's at least be productive and save some money momentarily and be able to be somewhat competitive in the future. I'm pro pipeline for sure, and if mandated properly I think the damage caused to the immediate environment will be cleaned up. As for the fallout from the price of oil dropping and more oil burning I think the numbers can sometimes be fudged significantly depending on the source. The left does make up stats from time to time as well to support their arguments. Anything ever produced from a Greenpeace "accountant" is pretty much garbage.

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05-31-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
So can't most of this be undone in 2-4 years if dems win back house & presidency?
Laws can (maybe) be changed (depending on filibuster rules, the new POTUS' willingness to deploy executive orders, etc), but, in many cases, fixing things is much harder than not breaking them in the first place.

- It's generally easier to not put greenhouse gasses into the air in the first place than to pull them out. Similarly, it's pretty hard to reattach a portion of arctic ice that has already fallen off the shelf.

- It's much cheapier/easier to maintain infrastructure like roads and bridges before they encounter problems than to have to rebuild them after a catastrophic failure.

-Loss of institutional memory. When you chase out smart scientists/ regulators / administrators by gutting departments and undermining morale, those folks move on to other jobs and the institutions as a whole lose the benefit of their knowledge and experiemce. It is hard to have good senior leadership in 5--10 years if you wipe out all of the talented mid level people today
05-31-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
so the only countries not in the paris agreement were nicaragua and syria?

lol
the NAZI
Nicaraguan American Zyrian Itsnotreal Agreement
05-31-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I'm absolutely baffled by how often the NYT employs people who are clearly getting rolled by Ivanka and Jared for shameless PR about how they totes secretly are the liberalist libs who ever libs and they are the constraint on Trump.
Well I got an advertisement from them today urging me to "see all the sides" which I think mostly answers your question.
05-31-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
Laws can (maybe) be changed (depending on filibuster rules, the new POTUS' willingness to deploy executive orders, etc), but, in many cases, fixing things is much harder than not breaking them in the first place.

- It's generally easier to not put greenhouse gasses into the air in the first place than to pull them out. Similarly, it's pretty hard to reattach a portion of arctic ice that has already fallen off the shelf.

- It's much cheapier/easier to maintain infrastructure like roads and bridges before they encounter problems than to have to rebuild them after a catastrophic failure.

-Loss of institutional memory. When you chase out smart scientists/ regulators / administrators by gutting departments and undermining morale, those folks move on to other jobs and the institutions as a whole lose the benefit of their knowledge and experiemce. It is hard to have good senior leadership in 5--10 years if you wipe out all of the talented mid level people today
Isn't climate change an extremely slow process and 2-4 years of poor regulations not going to be that huge of a deal?

I get your other points though.
05-31-2017 , 12:58 PM
The trouble at the WH is because Trump is SO articulate guys.


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Lewandowski said on “Fox & Friends” Wednesday. “And you know when you have a president who is so active, who is so articulate, who is so good at communicating with the media, sometimes you get staff that have to keep up with him.
05-31-2017 , 12:58 PM
05-31-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Isn't climate change an extremely slow process and 2-4 years of poor regulations not going to be that huge of a deal?

I get your other points though.
Bring stuck in a well with the water rising one inch every day is also a slow process, but it's still killing you.
05-31-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Isn't climate change an extremely slow process and 2-4 years of poor regulations not going to be that huge of a deal?

I get your other points though.
Plus we're in the middle of an ice age and the next phase is more or less due sometime soon. Perhaps when the glaciers start advancing in 3000 years and it's too cold to live anywhere outside the tropics people will look back at Trump as the hero who almost succeeded and erect statues of him everywhere.
05-31-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Bring stuck in a well with the water rising one inch every day is also a slow process, but it's still killing you.
Or it helps get you out of the well.
05-31-2017 , 01:11 PM


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74798087819264

And the time travel tweet...




https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...51919260979201
05-31-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
so the only countries not in the paris agreement were nicaragua and syria?

lol
Yup. And the reason Nicaragua isn't a member is because they feel it didn't have enough teeth in it for the biggest polluters.
05-31-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74798087819264
Don, Tiffany, Ivanka and Eric are traumatized by Kathy Griffin lol gtfo

      
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