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05-31-2017 , 09:15 AM

#37251

ligastar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

Damn I guess Ivanka didn't save us on climate after all. And as mentioned, important to note that this catastrophic move would have been made by Jeb Bush/Ted Cruz/Paul Ryan/pick your GOP President pretty much. It's morons (and Koch bros.) all the way down.

I might just start calling Paul Ryan Paul Koch because he's pretty much the third Koch bro. at this point.

don't think you can make this claim. those potential presidents wouldn't have brought in card carrying members of the alt-right to the West Wing.

05-31-2017 , 09:18 AM

#37252

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

F*cking Cory Booker man

Like I get it, but we already had a lets-come-together President, Barack Obama, and that lead to a historic loss of Democratic seats while Obama was trying to bring the red states and blue states together and all that mantra. Also, I can see being forgiving for some poor schmuck that doesn't follow politics and bought into Trump's lies about changing the system, but Trump himself and the rest of these hateful ghouls who actively make America angrier and dumber? Nah man, f*ck them.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...y-booker-trump

that quote is infuriating to read. and to think i actually used to like that guy

05-31-2017 , 09:25 AM

#37253

SuperUberBob

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Yeah there's no going high when it comes to attacking the GOP. I mean there's no way to go high. They've gone so low that the only way to insult them is to get to that level.

Combine that with providing a future that doesn't resemble a dystopian nightmare and we might gain enough seats in 2018 to minimize the damage.

05-31-2017 , 09:29 AM

#37254

Our House

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Not that it anything matters, but it's really a sin that US presidents aren't required to be under oath at least a few times regularly throughout their term.

EDIT: Strikethrough edits by me, and not a team of my $1500/hr lawyers.

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05-31-2017 , 09:36 AM

#37255

Namath12

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Originally Posted by DisGunBGud

#fakefollowers

How to spot a bot

05-31-2017 , 09:36 AM

#37256

+rep_lol

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

i mean W T F is so "low" about calling a ****ing guy who lies every other word out his mouth a liar?

this ****ing pearlclutching over imaginary standards of civility and ****, like wtf i just dont get it

that dude is a goddamn liar, **** him, and **** corey booker for being uncomfortable saying so. primary his worthless ass. ****ing idiot. how's that for civility

05-31-2017 , 09:38 AM

#37257

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Can someone give me the details on the TRUMP bot follower theory?

1) add lots of bots
2) _________
3) ??

05-31-2017 , 09:39 AM

#37258

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Clovis,

If you want to meet the Paris goals, put your body in the way of pipeline construction in Alberta.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/01/19/T...Paris-Targets/

Quote:

The problem, explains the report, is not just bitumen’s high carbon footprint (about 17 per cent more than conventional oil) but that pipelines drive bitumen expansion and that high-cost tar sands mining projects can last for 50 years.

Quote:

“For all Prime Minister Trudeau’s positive diplomacy in Paris, if he approves a pipeline, he will be the one to make the goals impossible to reach,” says the report.

05-31-2017 , 09:44 AM

#37259

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Combine that with providing a future that doesn't resemble a dystopian nightmare and we might gain enough seats in 2018 to minimize the damage.

Call me naive like Jared, but I refuse to believe that Mueller, the FBI, and all the other investigations will let it go to 2018 or 2020 elections before putting insane criminal/financial/whatever necessary pressures on the WH and GOP given the irreversible global damages that will occur before then.

This battle will get very hot and heavy, just the way President Trump likes it.

05-31-2017 , 09:47 AM

#37260

Money2Burn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Can someone give me the details on the TRUMP bot follower theory?

1) add lots of bots
2) _________
3) ??

I don't use Twitter, but it seems like a politician could drown out negative comments with a sea of bots, but I might not understand how Twitter operated.

05-31-2017 , 09:47 AM

#37261

jjshabado

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Originally Posted by microbet

Clovis,

If you want to meet the Paris goals, put your body in the way of pipeline construction in Alberta.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/01/19/T...Paris-Targets/

This is like blaming Mexico/Columbia for the drug problem. Stop the demand and develop cheaper more friendly alternatives and climate change goes away. Anything else isn't going to do ****.

It's why the Paris accord is mostly meaningless here. The administration has no desire to actually do either of the above things. So...

05-31-2017 , 09:48 AM

#37262

JPantz

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Originally Posted by yeSpiff

Need photo shop of trump holding the earth like that

05-31-2017 , 09:52 AM

#37263

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

No. My you're defensive.

Tar sand extraction and pipelines don't happen like cocaine grown in the jungle and smuggled in hidden panels in old cars.

Raise the cost of oil and you incentivize alternatives.

It's probably true in the sense that the Canadian government is corrupted by the oil industry, but ours is too. That's why bodies need to be put in the way of pipelines.

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05-31-2017 , 09:58 AM

#37264

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Clovis,

If you want to meet the Paris goals, put your body in the way of pipeline construction in Alberta.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/01/19/T...Paris-Targets/

Not going to detail the thread but pipelines are BY FAR the most environmentally friendly way to move petroleum products. It's not close.

We can debate further in another thread.

05-31-2017 , 10:00 AM

#37265

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Not going to detail the thread but pipelines are BY FAR the most environmentally friendly way to move petroleum products. It's not close.

We can debate further in another thread.

After you block the pipeline, you block the trains and then the trucks. The point is you block.

Pipelines are the cheapest way to transport oil. That make oil products cheaper. That means more gets used, more gets extracted, and less effort is made on replacements.

05-31-2017 , 10:01 AM

#37266

jjshabado

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Originally Posted by microbet

Lol. I think you misread that.

I also love how some of you guys think breaking an analogy is just pointing out one difference. The point is that stopping some tiny production of some very profitable good is never going to achieve anything.

Yes, the last sentence is true and what I'm talking about. Although, it's a crappier option because it's politically hard. It's better to actually make the alternatives cheaper, possibly with incentives, because dumb people don't realize the money is still coming from them - and because the burden falls more on the wealthy than the poor.

05-31-2017 , 10:02 AM

#37267

jjshabado

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

After you block the pipeline, you block the trains and then the trucks. The point is you block.

If we just lock up one more drug dealer, our drug problem will be solved!

05-31-2017 , 10:04 AM

#37268

All-In Flynn

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

This. There is nothing 'low' about calling a liar a liar. That's why truth is a defence against defamation.

05-31-2017 , 10:07 AM

#37269

weeeez

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edit:der spiegel covers are awesome

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05-31-2017 , 10:07 AM

#37270

xyberman

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1 Corfefeians 6:7

The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already.

05-31-2017 , 10:09 AM

#37271

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

If we just lock up one more drug dealer, our drug problem will be solved!

That's ridiculous. The same argument could be made that government couldn't regulate anything like DDT, dioxins, nuclear waste dumps, chemical factories in elementary school parking lots. ...

05-31-2017 , 10:11 AM

#37272

Riverman

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Cory Booker is possibly the biggest fraud in the entire Democratic Party

**** that guy so hard

05-31-2017 , 10:13 AM

#37273

jjshabado

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Originally Posted by microbet

That's ridiculous. The same argument could be made that government couldn't regulate anything like DDT, dioxins, nuclear waste dumps, chemical factories in elementary school parking lots. ...

Umm... no.

05-31-2017 , 10:13 AM

#37274

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Cory Booker is possibly the biggest fraud in the entire Democratic Party

**** that guy so hard

Yeah anyone who's still on that train can go ahead and jump off now, don't wait for the next stop just tuck and roll

05-31-2017 , 10:18 AM

#37275

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjshabado

Umm... no.

Um yes.

Your suggestion is that if Canada made tar sands extraction illegal and blocked new pipeline construction that the black market would extract the oil, process it, build pipelines and operate them. And still deliver it at competitive prices.

Come on.

The Canadian government could 100% block the industry. We probably wouldn't even invade you for doing it.

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