lol this Roger Stone dude's got stones

I disagree with the entirety of this post except the bit that infers that I'm dumb. That is mostly accurate. I don't even know what bastant means for example nor whether I should have used imply instead of infer in my first sentence. I think your faming of the issue is illegitimate, you seem to be placing the burden on the listener to maintain respectful silence for whatever view is being freely spoken so as not to "shout down" the speaker. Or to somehow not have the spoken view affect their perception of the speaker (or at least for the listener to remain silent about how the speech affected their perception).

The public sphere is the property of the public. We decide what our reaction will be to any speech. Governments should think very carefully before they abridge the right of anyone to say anything they want at any time. I on the other hand am allowed to shallowly and bastantly decide that someone is a racist on any whim I please and I'm allowed to voice that opinion to anyone I like. I might face consequences for my shallowness, "principled conservatives" might face consequences for their views on immigration. It's the marketplace of ideas.

Yes that's largely true for sure if you are talking about the hardcore base. There are people who voted for him though who may be sort of on the fence now. If there was a major terrorist attack in the US then I'd suspect a lot of them would be more inclined to get back on his back, sadly.

Did I suggest that the government should suppress any speech? Well I don't. But, Brave freedom-loving Americans may have to defend themselves and their values against these fascists.

Everyone including Spicer is fully responsible for the things they do and being paid for it does not lessen that responsibility at all.

Saw a report that his followers are increasing by about ~100 per minute, almost none have tweeted yet.

I checked with a friend who works at twitter. He says they're aware of it. No idea if they'll do anything.

This White House statement on Trump’s ‘positive energy’ reads like a parody

President Trump has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000. He has built great relationships throughout his life and treats everyone with respect. He is brilliant with a great sense of humor … and an amazing ability to make people feel special and aspire to be more than even they thought possible.

Agree his base and people who voted for him are not the same group. We need to focus on the latter and ignore the former.

17yo douchebag->31 yo asshat. There's video of him joking around with his friends, but it's not so funny 14 years later.



https://twitter.com/mccarthyryanj/st...09231623782400

Reads like a tbab post

Really looks and sounds like he's drunk or on something.

Just realized something about the end of the briefing today. Rachel or Lawrence may point this out later, but the rest of MSM is likely to miss it.

"Is that the best you can do?"

I say that to Trumpists pretty often. They're forced to cite the weakest examples because of how little Trump has going for him. How does this relate?

Well, today Spicey was asked to name a fake news story. He had the opportunity to knock down any damaging story he wanted in front of the world. About Russia, or Trump himself, or Jared, Flynn, Comey, you name it. But he couldn't do it! He got stuck talking about some Italian Prime Minister thing that had literally no effect on the legitimacy of his administration or White House.

"Is that the best you can do?"

And if you're in Sean Spicer's position, no doubt you have some whopping fake news examples that did a lot of harm to the people around you. The stories would be sitting there stewing like a thorn in your side; a splinter in your mind. Here's a wide opening to show everyone how bad the media really is. Nope! He had cocksauce. A total nothingburger.

Managing the truth is hard when all you have are lies.

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****er is singing Englebert Humperdink in 2003 at age 17. That was the most glaring sign that there was something wrong with him.

That Trump energy statement is truly Orwellian.

lol what a twitter bot looks like

https://twitter.com/lynnswanson026/with_replies

God damn

When Neil Diamond isn't quite sucky enough you can always count on bert humpa dink to differentiate your nerdness.

WH cut/paste the Onion

This is literally the "Deep State," people who follow rules based on the law. Trump has never had to deal with such people. There are thousands of them in the bureaucracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/u...ub-ethics.html

"WASHINGTON — Walter M. Shaub’s term as the government’s top ethics watchdog does not expire until next January, but his corner office here, just a few blocks from the White House, looks unoccupied.

No diplomas line the wood-paneled walls. No family photos or mementos. Just standard government-issue furniture, his humming computer and four large paintings. Mr. Shaub wanted to get rid of those, too, but his chief of staff warned that it might scare the 70 other employees in the Office of Government Ethics.

“I wanted to not be so attached to this office that I’d be afraid to lose it,” Mr. Shaub said on Friday, surveying the room he packed up shortly before Inauguration Day.

For a man and agency that have long labored in obscurity, that does not seem such a far-off possibility these days. Ethics have been thrust to the forefront in President Trump’s Washington, where the president’s own vast holdings and those of his asset-rich cabinet and advisers from businesses and lobbying firms have raised many accusations of conflicts of interest.

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“The story of Walter Shaub is to some extent the story of our American system of checks and balances that has stepped up beyond expectation to defend the Constitution and the law when Trump oversteps,” said Norman Eisen, the Obama administration’s first ethics counsel. Mr. Shaub, he added, might well be “the unlikeliest star of 2017.
...
The son of a government chemist, Mr. Shaub grew up in the Washington suburbs with a sense that whatever he chose to do, it ought to entail public service. An interest in ethics only came later, after degrees in history at James Madison University and law at American University. (Two decades later, his own financial disclosure forms show, Mr. Shaub is still paying off student debt.)"

BTW, I posted his letter back to Mulvaney, who sent a widely circulated letter explaining why Trump did not have to publically disclose lobbyist waivers. Shaub wrote back a scathing letter and Mulvaney caved.

Republicans: OUTRAGED AND APPALLED by Kathy Griffin fake death

DEEPLY CONCERNED by actual death at the hands of white supremacists

Haven't seen it here. ABC Nightly News reporting that Michael Cohen is now a subject of the investigation.

Edit: Sounds like this is the Congressional investigation, not FBI.

"Governments should think very carefully before they abridge the right of anyone to say anything they want at any time."

and

"I on the other hand am allowed to shallowly and bastantly decide that someone is a racist on any whim I please and I'm allowed to voice that opinion to anyone I like."


i like that, decide that someone is racist based on any whim you please and go spread the word to anyone you like. but make sure the gouvernment suppresses unadequate speech from the far right because we dont like the far right.


however, overall your line is "i do and say whatever i want its a free country". myself, i view a democracy as something that only works if the people show tolerance to the other side even if it corresponds bad with your own morals. its not obvious that coexistence will work out, there is enough examples of failed states, coups, dictators, and countries where the press is not free.

If people start discussing AC privilege, I'm just going to cut and paste from a treatise.