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05-30-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
In a democracy...
We're still there?
05-30-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I think it's pretty widely known here that directly inciting violence is very much against the law.
"Boy I'd like to punch him out."

"Maybe I'll pay the legal fees for people who attack the protestors."



It's not an often enforced law.
05-30-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
We're still there?
well this was about whether or not some right wing extremists are allowed to hold a rally or something. you cant just say no sorry you guys are too right wing so you dont get the rights everyone else have.
05-30-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
even conservatives are half way muted on some of their issues because e.g being against immigration is often taken to be racism or hateful.
That's because it IS rooted in racism or hatred ffs

I mean, this is not some mystery we're still trying to figure out for our 2016 Autopsy Report. For realsies. It's the primary reason Eric Cantor got primaried (and defeated) in 2014 and teahadist Dave Brat holds that seat now. Breitbart's radicalism and hate opened the door for Brat, and it opened the door for Trump. This isn't my opinion...Breitbart/Steve Bannon have said as much several times (Bannon, you may recall, now works in the White House).

This American Life did a super-good episode on how this went down entitled "The Beginning of Now" if you're interested...I highly recommend it. It was very informative and much of it comes straight from the lips of Bannon and his ilk.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/rad...ginning-of-now

05-30-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
even conservatives are half way muted on some of their issues because e.g being against immigration is often taken to be racism or hateful. and if you suddenly get these labels thrown after you then you just cant talk freely anymore. thats why many of them are so angry because they feel that their views have become illegal to express. there are even liberal college professors that are afraid to even mention certain topics on campus because many students go overboard with the view that everything is offensive. there are examples of liberal professors that have been forced to apologice for things where they genuinely cant understand whats offensive.
This entire paragraph is horse****
05-30-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
People itt are claiming it's ok to [...] prevent Trupkins from speaking at universities.
Why wouldn't this be OK?
05-30-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
That's because it IS rooted in racism or hatred ffs

I mean, this is not some mystery we're still trying to figure out for our 2016 Autopsy Report. For realsies. It's the primary reason Eric Cantor got primaried (and defeated) in 2014 and teahadist Dave Brat holds that seat now. Breitbart's radicalism and hate opened the door for Brat, and it opened the door for Trump. This isn't my opinion...Breitbart/Steve Bannon have said as much several times (Bannon, you may recall, now works in the White House).

This American Life did a super-good episode on how this went down entitled "The Beginning of Now" if you're interested...I highly recommend it. It was very informative and much of it comes straight from the lips of Bannon and his ilk.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/rad...ginning-of-now

yes half the country are racists and hateful bigots.

i think the drive to keep society homogeneous (suppress rights of immigrants, gays, etc) is whats behind the conservative morals/values. we liberals are sort of the opposite, so we just clash in politics. however there is nothing we can do about conservatives, its just how their brain is wired. for example no conservative would ever be able to change me or you.

but i dont think conservatives hate other races, like a racist would, i just think they feel uneasy about having all sorts of different people in their society. couple this with the polarization in politics where they feel like they cant talk about immigration and you will get something that looks like anger and racism but its more about immigrants. they dont necessarily dislike those who are not in the country. (and of course there is some percentage that is racists, like in every other country).
05-30-2017 , 12:49 PM
And this whole issue plays directly into what I was talking about. Allowing free speech for Nazis is definitely an "elite liberal" concern, whereas working class liberals are much more likely to understand the true danger of these Deplorable Rallies and what they represent. Working class liberals work and live right alongside these types, they fully understand the violence that brews just below the surface and why that **** shouldn't be encouraged. And they're also much more worried about their damn health care being taken away than whether or not Ann Coulter will get to speak at Berkeley this weekend.

By the way, apparently she has been caught upping her fee more and more until the college refuses to pay the high price. These people are doing everything they can, including bringing in supporters from out of state to threaten/commit violence, to get these rallies cancelled. It's all a dog and pony show. Meanwhile people are getting threatened and killed on college campuses and public transit--two of the main areas where poor people can be found who actually are "picking themselves up by their bootstraps." Always remember that these types don't WANT minorities to pick themselves up and succeed--they just want them gone.
05-30-2017 , 12:54 PM
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but i dont think conservatives hate other races, like a racist would, i just think they feel uneasy about having all sorts of different people in their society. couple this with the polarization in politics where they feel like they cant talk about immigration and you will get something that looks like anger and racism but its more about immigrants. they dont necessarily dislike those who are not in the country.
Your definition of racism is pretty damn narrow there. If people pass a law that requires strict Voter ID which is discriminatory against black voters, but they don't have hate in their heart, is that not racist?
05-30-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...03804307275776
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...09894688387072

Trump: Why won't the Russia hoax story go away?

IDK, maybe coming clean would help? Or you can open a WAR ROOM and continue to tweet about it vigorously every day.

If Russia is laughing, it's at the useful idiot leading our country right now.
It's amazing that the POTUS still doesn't know what a trade deficit means.
05-30-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Your definition of racism is pretty damn narrow there. If people pass a law that requires strict Voter ID which is discriminatory against black voters, but they don't have hate in their heart, is that not racist?
like i said, half the country are racists and hateful bigots that eat babies.
05-30-2017 , 12:57 PM
Just saw video of our proud Secretary of State in full leather, celebrating Memorial Day with the bike group Rolling Thunder. Cute. Well at least he's not with Rosneft and Putin talking about removing sanctions from the biggest oil deal ever.
05-30-2017 , 01:00 PM
It's been a week and a half, but I heard we're in for a Spicey treat soon.
05-30-2017 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
yes half the country are racists and hateful bigots.

i think the drive to keep society homogeneous (suppress rights of immigrants, gays, etc) is whats behind the conservative morals/values. we liberals are sort of the opposite, so we just clash in politics. however there is nothing we can do about conservatives, its just how their brain is wired. for example no conservative would ever be able to change me or you.

but i dont think conservatives hate other races, like a racist would, i just think they feel uneasy about having all sorts of different people in their society. couple this with the polarization in politics where they feel like they cant talk about immigration and you will get something that looks like anger and racism but its more about immigrants. they dont necessarily dislike those who are not in the country. (and of course there is some percentage that is racists, like in every other country).
Interestingly the bolded is directly confirmed in the latter part of that 'cast I linked above. They talk to Pat Buchanen, who was Too Racist For Politics back in 92 and 96 when he ran on a platform that was virtually identical to Trump's (and ldo lost). He flat out says that he feels more comfortable around people "like" him because he's "a homeboy," and "multiculturalism" is destroying America because immigrants don't "assimilate," which is more nonsense dogwhistled racism.

They don't HATE "The Others," you see, The Others simply make them "uncomfortable." Breitbart seized on this in 2014 and used it with pristine precision to get rid of Cantor. (As an aside: Cantor wasn't even pushing "amnesty" for the sake of doing right by immigrants, which was bad enough in the eyes of the teahadis...it was a political calculation. He and other establishment types within the GOP knew then that if they continue to alienate minorities it would lead to a continued erosion of their power structure. The Tea Party thought otherwise, specifically that "amnesty" would just lead to more Dem voters...they quote Mouth of the Tea Party Laura Ingraham saying exactly that. As of right now, the latter school of thought is winning out.)
05-30-2017 , 01:05 PM
MSNBC is saying that Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen just confirmed to them that he's been asked by the Senate & House committees for a bunch of information from Trump on Russia and the campaign. They're saying it's the same info that was requested from Flynn, Manafort, Page, etc.

EDIT: I think they only want Cohen's direct info and not Trump's. They specifically mentioned the dossier, financial dealings, and any meetings Cohen was part of, both international and domestic.

Last edited by Our House; 05-30-2017 at 01:15 PM.
05-30-2017 , 01:06 PM
aflametotheground,

You are hereby officially shouted down and shut down. I hope you've said what you needed to already.
05-30-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I mean, if anything, American society has been coddling the feelings of these idiots for far too long. How often do we hear about how rural areas are the Real America? How quick was the media to jump onto the Hillbilly Elegy? We've been romanticising backwoods dip****s for far too long.
Literally since Reconstruction.
05-30-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Interestingly the bolded is directly confirmed in the latter part of that 'cast I linked above. They talk to Pat Buchanen, who was Too Racist For Politics back in 92 and 96 when he ran on a platform that was virtually identical to Trump's (and ldo lost). He flat out says that he feels more comfortable around people "like" him because he's "a homeboy," and "multiculturalism" is destroying America because immigrants don't "assimilate," which is more nonsense dogwhistled racism.

They don't HATE "The Others," you see, The Others simply make them "uncomfortable." Breitbart seized on this in 2014 and used it with pristine precision to get rid of Cantor. (As an aside: Cantor wasn't even pushing "amnesty" for the sake of doing right by immigrants, which was bad enough in the eyes of the teahadis...it was a political calculation. He and other establishment types within the GOP knew then that if they continue to alienate minorities it would lead to a continued erosion of their power structure. The Tea Party thought otherwise, specifically that "amnesty" would just lead to more Dem voters...they quote Mouth of the Tea Party Laura Ingraham saying exactly that. As of right now, the latter school of thought is winning out.)
well i think its at the heart of what makes a conservative to want less people that are different around.
05-30-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
It's amazing that the POTUS still doesn't know what a trade deficit means.
I'd be amazed if he did.
05-30-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
aflametotheground,

You are hereby officially shouted down and shut down. I hope you've said what you needed to already.
Well I do think there is value in studying and discussing what motivates your adversaries, even if you think they're full of ****, and I'm fine with anyone earnestly doing that.
05-30-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Well I do think there is value in studying and discussing what motivates your adversaries, even if you think they're full of ****, and I'm fine with anyone earnestly doing that.
I agree, and besides, it seems my shout and shut down didn't work.
05-30-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Interestingly the bolded is directly confirmed in the latter part of that 'cast I linked above. They talk to Pat Buchanen, who was Too Racist For Politics back in 92 and 96 when he ran on a platform that was virtually identical to Trump's (and ldo lost). He flat out says that he feels more comfortable around people "like" him because he's "a homeboy," and "multiculturalism" is destroying America because immigrants don't "assimilate," which is more nonsense dogwhistled racism.

They don't HATE "The Others," you see, The Others simply make them "uncomfortable." Breitbart seized on this in 2014 and used it with pristine precision to get rid of Cantor. (As an aside: Cantor wasn't even pushing "amnesty" for the sake of doing right by immigrants, which was bad enough in the eyes of the teahadis...it was a political calculation. He and other establishment types within the GOP knew then that if they continue to alienate minorities it would lead to a continued erosion of their power structure. The Tea Party thought otherwise, specifically that "amnesty" would just lead to more Dem voters...they quote Mouth of the Tea Party Laura Ingraham saying exactly that. As of right now, the latter school of thought is winning out.)
Sociologists call it racial resentment to differentiate it from feelings of racial superiority.
05-30-2017 , 01:23 PM
Trumps attorney telling the intel committees to pound sand.
05-30-2017 , 01:27 PM
Random shower thought:

People have said Trump will inevitably resign because his narcissism can't handle the negative ratings.

I give you a different take - he has achieved every narcissist's wet dream. He's managed to turn the topic of every single conversation in America at any given time back to himself. Look at any internet post or video in the last 6 months, and go look at the comments. It could be a video of kittens chasing yarn and in the first 5 comments will be some Trump/anti Trump blowup.

He'll never resign.

      
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