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05-30-2017 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Are Trump rallies the new Klan rallies? Where a bunch of 'supporters' blatantly spew racist remarks behind a thinly veiled support for the political administration.
Yes
05-30-2017 , 10:09 AM
in SC, all the same klan members and people protesting the removal of the confederate flag from the capitol building are the same ones who go to the trump rallies, so yea, that's literally who they are- including anybody who is technically unaffiliated with the klan but willingly stands next to them.
05-30-2017 , 10:13 AM
From a Trump rally:



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Keystone United, known until 2009 as the Keystone State Skinheads (KSS), is one of the largest and most active single-state racist skinhead crews in the country.

While its members attempt to project a mediagenic image of being part of a new breed of more sophisticated and less spasmodically violent skins, the truth is that the group’s members have been convicted of a string of remarkably violent attacks dating back to at least 1998, ranging from bar brawls to murder. Keystone United frequently sponsors white-power picnics and music festivals across Pennsylvania, including the annual "hatecore" event known as "Uprise."

In Its Own Words
"We wish to break the stereotypes of skinheads being alcoholic thugs and violent drug-addicted criminals."
— Keystone State Skinheads website

"By offering education and guidance, we intend to mobilize our youth for change and create an atmosphere capable of weeding out the superficial and outdated reactionary elements so that we may continue to move forward."
— Keystone State Skinheads website

"The skinheads (including me) that showed up at this rally broke the Hollywood-created stereotype. There were no [R]oman salutes, wearing of swastikas, or shouting of tired old racial slogans like ‘White Power' and ‘Sieg Heil.' ... I think we are making inroads in changing people's perception of skinheads."
— "PAWhitePride," KSS member, posting on Stormfront.org, 2006.

Background
The Keystone State Skinheads (KSS) formed near Harrisburg, Pa., in 2001. Like most racist skinhead outfits, the group says it is dedicated to white supremacy and cleaning up white society so that America will be more like "many other once great European nations." KSS says it is committed to "being active in our communities, public awareness, contacting local politicians, or just simply showing people we are not ashamed of who we are." Though the group holds picnics, hikes and other events it claims are "family-friendly," it has a history of criminal violence.

Membership quickly spread across the state, with associates in neighboring New Jersey and Maryland. In its early years, KSS was associated with the notoriously violent Hammerskin Nation — KSS helped organize the 2003 Hammerfest, a skinhead rock festival.

As KSS membership has flourished over the course of the crew's relatively brief history, the rap sheets of many of its prominent members have grown at a brisk pace as well. In June of 2002, three KSS members — Douglas Sonier, Joseph Hoesch and co-founder Robert Gaus — were arrested for assaulting a man who asked them to stop throwing food at his table at a diner in Feasterville, Pa., near Philadelphia. The three pleaded guilty to simple assault and were given suspended sentences.

In September that same year, three more KSS members — Todd Sager, Jason Hayden and Christopher Keough — attacked former KSS member Christopher Morosko after he refused to return his KSS colors. In March 2003, all three assailants pleaded guilty to assault and were sentenced to time served.

Also in March 2003, another three KSS members — Keith Carney, Steve Monteforte and Steven Smith — were arrested in Scranton for beating up Antoni Williams, a black man, using stones and chunks of pavement. Smith, a co-founder of the KSS, is a former Aryan Nations member and former leader of the Philadelphia chapter of National Association for the Advancement of White People, which was created by former Klan leader David Duke but is no longer associated with him. Smith was recruited into the neo-Nazi movement when he was a soldier at Fort Bragg, N.C. Carney is a former member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance who was arrested in December 2001 for placing National Alliance stickers on the Korean War and Vietnam Veterans memorials in Philadelphia. In the 2003 case, Smith and Monteforte pleaded guilty to terrorist threats and ethnic intimidation, with Monteforte getting a suspended sentence of a year's probation; Smith received a 60-day sentence and probation. Carney was charged with violating the terms of his probation from a previous criminal conviction and sentenced to a year in prison.

In April 2003, two KSS Lancaster chapter skinheads were charged with making terroristic threats and ethnic intimidation for racist and threatening comments directed at three black people in an area bar. The next documented violent incident involving KSS came in January 2006, when KSS Wilkes-Barre region leader Jason Honeywell was arrested for allegedly stabbing two anti-racist SHARP (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) skinheads outside an all-ages punk rock club. The stabbing occurred during a melée that erupted in the club and spread outside after KSS members made sieg-heil salutes and obscene gestures toward the black singer of the band River Side Riot, which was performing at the time. Both SHARPs — Timothy David Alonso and Sean Fitzmaurice — were severely injured. Honeywell was charged with four counts of aggravated assault.

Two weeks after the stabbings, the leader of the Pittsburgh and Greensburg chapters of the KSS, Todd Sager, was charged with criminal solicitation to commit homicide and criminal solicitation to commit aggravated assault. Sager was accused of ordering another KSS member, Edward Robert Locke, to stab a third KSS member during a brawl at a New Stanton sports bar. The fight erupted after the skinheads began allegedly harassing a mixed-race couple. Locke was charged with aggravated assault and attempted murder. The attempted murder charge was later dismissed.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...eystone-united
05-30-2017 , 10:14 AM
The guy in the pic is a known leader of the Keystone State hate group.
05-30-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
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Originally Posted by einbert
The guy in the pic is a known leader of the Keystone State hate group.
And he has a nice ass. Who knew hate could be so sexy?
05-30-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
I hate Alberta, you can have it. Take all the Albertans while you're at it.
Don't hate just because we have good hockey here. One day you can maybe have that too.

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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I got my undergrad degree there. It is weird. All old people and Mormons.
They have that nice restaurant in the tower thing though. Plus really wide side streets, which is a plus.
05-30-2017 , 10:27 AM
I bet the Klan are a bit miffed these days in a way - at one point they were extreme, on the edge you may say - but now they are just the more extreme Trumpkins. It hardly seems worth even having their own events now, or printing dumb T-shirts etc.
05-30-2017 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Paul Ryan called for the guy to apologize. Again, this is "deeply troubled" stuff. The GOP has the power to totally condemn this guy, call for his resignation, make his life miserable so he resigns and they have a special election for a real representative. But they're not going to do any of that stuff. It's an easy way out.
yes its an easy way out, the republicans are good at chosing the easy solution.

however its a bit naive to think that paul ryan would come out calling for him to withdraw 1 day before the election, which would be equivalent to giving up a seat. so its something that i wouldnt even concider to expect.
05-30-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The no win scenario here is that if Antifa kills someone they get officially declared a terrorist group and the police round up anyone who checked On Anarchy out at the library. If the Trumpkins kill someone, it was one disturbed individual who was provoked.
Well then we already lost.
05-30-2017 , 10:32 AM
WH Communications Director resigns

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Mr. Dubke, a veteran Republican strategist who served three months in the role, said that he offered his resignation on May 18 and agreed to stay on until Mr. Trump completed his first overseas trip, which ended over the weekend. Other staff changes could come by the end of the week, White House officials said.

“The reasons for my departure are personal, but it has been my great honor to serve President Trump and this administration,” Mr. Dubke said in a message to friends.
05-30-2017 , 10:36 AM
Our only hope is that there are enough folks left in the FBI and CIA who believe in American values and principles.

Spoiler:
lolz


Spoiler:
GG Bin Laden, GG...
05-30-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Well then we already lost.
Apparently, we already lost so badly in November that everything Trump did and does wrong is because of our bitterness over that loss. So yeah, we lost.

And we have the right to remain silent. Because anything we say can and will be used against us in a tweet of Trump's.
05-30-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
You are confusing the battle with the war. Sure we will lose battles, but we don't care. We are trying to win a war.
I think some people do care about getting shot.
05-30-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by King_of_NYC
He made it 5.29 trump years.
05-30-2017 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
And he has a nice ass. Who knew hate could be so sexy?
Nah, bruh. Frog butt, right there.
05-30-2017 , 10:56 AM
I've legit never heard of this Dubke fellow until now. If he is "White House Communications Director" and Spicey is "White House Press Secretary" then why the **** are Kellyanne and Sarah Huckabee Silverman breathing valuable White House oxygen?
05-30-2017 , 11:05 AM
And by the way, for anyone paying attention, that group that wants to rally in Portland? Jeremy Christian, the guy who killed two people on the bus in a savage hate crime, he was at one of that group's rallies just a few weeks ago. There's a whole write up on it and everything:

The Man Accused of MAX Double Murder Is a Portland White Supremacist Who Delivered Nazi Salutes and Racial Slurs at a "Free Speech" Rally Last Month
http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/27...ly-last-month/
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I shook the alleged killer's filthy hand 28 days ago. Mine feels tainted now, as though I somehow sanctioned his reported act, though I was only trying to get some information out of him.

He had just marched through Montavilla Park chanting "******" and throwing fascist salutes, wearing an American Revolutionary War flag like a cape.

It was this act that sparked the first moment of chaos at the "free speech" rally on April 29 in Montavilla Park, which then proceeded down 82nd Avenue, a miserable replacement for a neighborhood parade canceled due to the threat of political violence. The man in the flag cape was quickly swarmed by scrawny young antifa kids, then by officers from the Portland Police Bureau.

After the scrum dispersed, I stood by watching while police searched his backpack. They seemed to know that, prior to the march, he had posted a Facebook message threatening to "shoot to kill POLICE if they ATTEMPT DISARM" anyone openly carrying a firearm to the rally.

"Any guns in there?" an officer asked.

"Just comic books," he said. He was a big fan.

"I think that guy is mentally ill," one of the officers confided.

Almost certainly. Jeremy Joseph Christian, 35, who was arrested yesterday on suspicion of killing two men who tried to protect two dark-skinned women wearing hijabs from his racist abuse, is also a notorious racist from North Portland who networked with other racists when he wasn't doing time (and, presumably, when he was).
Related: Witnesses say man cut the throats of two MAX passengers who stepped in to defend women from anti-Muslim abuse.


https://twitter.com/itsmikebivins/st...-last-month%2F
05-30-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Are Trump rallies the new Klan rallies? Where a bunch of 'supporters' blatantly spew racist remarks behind a thinly veiled support for the political administration.
Yes
05-30-2017 , 11:07 AM
On a related note, I often wonder how many of these white supremacist terrorists as well as public shooters/murder-suicides would be completely avoided if we had Universal Health Care. Oh well, that's the price of freedom I guess. :/
05-30-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
First of all, 40% of Americans do not and did not support or vote for Trump. It's nowhere near that. You're assuming 100% voter turnout.

Secondly, you don't have to be an *******, you just have to be dumb. I'm okay with saying if you voted for Trump, you're probably not too bright. IMHO you guys continue to miss the lesson that should've been learned with his election. And things are just gonna get worse.
The biggest lesson was that the EC is a horrible system for choosing the President. You had an incompetent moron lose the election by a significant percentage and somehow still take office, and now he's going to screw the country up beyond all recognition.

Already he's destroying alliances it took decades to build, ruining trade relations with the largest economic partners the country has, destroying every social program that's done anything good for the past 20 years, and sowing domestic unrest from coast to coast, all while by the way being investigated for possible TREASON and obstruction of justice by the FBI. Oh plus he's already bombed one country and is threatening out and out war with another one who just happens to be nuclear capable. The only thing left for him to ruin is the economy and I'm sure that's on its way. After all he's only been in office for five months. Give him time.

But yeah, it's the Dems fault for running a former first lady, Senator, and Sec State who left office with a 65% approval rating. Of course it is.
05-30-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
einbert, i think paul ryan called on the guy to come out and apologize for the choke slamming.
I bet he didn't call for him to go ahead and plead guilty when it goes to court, though.
05-30-2017 , 11:14 AM
Trump is ****ing pathetic the way he treats Merkel/Germany, one of our closest allies. Seriously wants to start a global conflict.
05-30-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
On a related note, I often wonder how many of these white supremacist terrorists as well as public shooters/murder-suicides would be completely avoided if we had Universal Health Care. Oh well, that's the price of freedom I guess. :/
Or if you decided that it might not be the best idea to give guns away like happy meal toys to any psycho who wants one.
05-30-2017 , 11:25 AM
I don't think the government should be shutting down rallies, but I also think it's really ****ing important for people to stop "virtue signaling" about how much they respect free speech that they ****ing distort the debate.

Like re-run the tape here.

1. I post an article about the Portland GOP explicitly supporting these far right rallies and also calling for literal ****ing white supremacist militias to protect those rallies from antifa because they can't trust the police. That is NOT AN EXAGGERATION literally the description of the brownshirts.

2. Someone posts an article about the Jeff Sessions DOJ scaling back civil rights.

3. Lestat doesn't post an article. Lestat says "speaking of civil rights" the Portland mayor is trying to shut down the far right rally. But a keen eyed reader might have noticed no quotes from the Mayor appear in that post! They do appear in my article. (the conclusions we can draw about Lestat's Breitbart/Infowars intensive media diet are important but secondary). The rally isn't on city property, the mayor didn't do ****, he just asked them not to hold out of ****ing respect for the dead.

4. Clovis, inexplicably, goes to work rehabbing Lestat's dishonest argument to show off how much he Respects Opinions.

What the ****, dude?
05-30-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
Trump is ****ing pathetic the way he treats Merkel/Germany, one of our closest allies. Seriously wants to start a global conflict.
Trump brand business interests and America's overall interests do not align very well. I'm willing to bet however, that if we did make a list of Trump business interests and their respective locations (within the US, or countries if global) would be a perfect match. Trump is too greedy and/or stupid to provide any cover play.

1) Has anyone thoroughly* done this?
2) Who disagrees? Trumpkins?
3) Is there a limit to where action can be taken? Like, to what degree is he allowed to embezzle or conflict or emolument or whatever before it's too much? 100 billion a year? More?

*The qualifier is there because I realize it's been mentioned before here and there with things like the Muslim Ban countries, etc. but never thoroughly IME.

      
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