Couple things about Jared/Russia:

1) Didn't the "backchannel" meeting happen around the same time that Trump was being accused of seeking security clearance for Jared & Ivanka? I remember Trump emphatically pushing back at the press and saying he wouldn't seek clearance for his children in December, only to get it for them a month later. It also confirms that Jared had no clearance this 30 minute long, secret, secure conversation with Flynn (who had the highest level of clearance) and the Russian Ambassador.

2) The fact that Kislyak was reported to be "taken aback" by Jared's request is a little strange for a written intercept on the Russian side. It makes us believe that either Russia is feeding us bull****, or we have an audio recording of the meeting. Not bulletproof by any means, but weird imo.

Not sure he's heard about it yet.

LOL Lestat coming in here after another bad week of news for Daddy with a stumper for the dang libtards

After praising Trump's amazing 70 year old memory for years, my mom is convinced he's losing his memory. It's quite the coincidence how people tend to develop amnesia once they start getting into trouble.

I'm sure his recent memory loss can be tied to massive pressure from the damn Democrats, media, deep state, bad staffers and much more as well.

Is it a bigger gotcha than Fox staff asking why they needed a backchannel if they already colluded with Russia during the election? BOOM! THEY WIN! Send Mueller home. It's over.

the dirtbag is attacking germany on twitter

And still doesn't understand how NATO works

Have we gotten lestat's thyghts on how those two people in Oregon could have phrased their objections to the mistreatment of minorities so that a deplorable wouldn't have murdered them?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...03804307275776
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...09894688387072

Trump: Why won't the Russia hoax story go away?

IDK, maybe coming clean would help? Or you can open a WAR ROOM and continue to tweet about it vigorously every day.

If Russia is laughing, it's at the useful idiot leading our country right now.

That's a good point. I believe the 2p2 position on this sort of stuff is that once you get called racist it's only natural to lash out and get emotional, so really, without knowing if any of those people used divisive shouting down, or even the dreaded making stuff up to be mean, it's real tough to get a handle on who the bad guys were on the train.

Like a woman who dresses and acts a certain way is asking to be raped, some people are just asking for a good murdering.

It's sickening.

Re the Tweets, there is a consistent process for me.

1 Read the Tweet and get angry - think something like "OMFG this guy is a ****wit....this can't be happening".

2 Think - how can the world be so crazy this is accepted? What level of mind so you need to support this vile ****wit? This stage is longer if I make the mistake of looking at various Facebook pages etc where his reprobate supporters hang out.

3 Sometime later realise that it's just a normal day at the moment.

(3) is really the scary part.

what can he really do about germany anyway? it's not like there's an eu-us trade deal. i guess he could slap some tariffs on stuff if he makes up an excuse maybe

It's what it means for Nato and the general feeling of ****wits around the world that worries me. I looked at Facebook yesterday at the reaction to Merkel's statement about not being able to fully rely on the UK and the US anymore (I'm in the UK so this is the UK perspective). All the comments I saw were about Germany fixing for taking over Europe, other WW2 stuff, and about wanting to punch Merkel in the face/other sheer hatred towards her. Honestly, it's mindblowing stuff and this kind of Tweet feeds these people. Putin must be laughing himself silly.

Inciting imminent lawless action isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. It would be extremely irresponsible for the city of Portland to allow this rally on public land.

What's scary is how he's doing these things at an alarming rate that pushes the line more and more each week.

Remember during that debate when Hillary called him a puppet for Putin? MAN did he lash out at her or what? The projection was intense. "No puppet. YOU'RE the puppet!" No explanation or anything, just defensiveness. It hit a little too close to home, no?

I hate to agree with Lestat but there are some very worrying ideas in this thread sometimes.

You simply do not fight tyranny with censorship or suppression of speech. This is exactly the wrong approach.

Of course Trump rallies are basically soft nazi rallies and Ann Coulter is a vile disgusting ***** without a single good idea. Listening to them speak only brings more hate to the world.

That being said, of course they should be able to hold rallies and speak. That is the price we pay for liberty and free speech. This is such an old and bedrock idea it's amazing it is being questioned on the hard left.

Suppression of any idea does not suppress it, it applifies it in every case. The left has the winning ideas. We win by taking those ideas to the battlefield not by trying to prevent the opposition from showing up.

Also, the people itt saying "ya but black protests are suppressed all the time" are both factually correct and rhetorically misguided. This is the exact same awful defence the right uses when they respond to every criticism of Trump with "but what about Obama or Clinton". Two wrongs don't make a right so let's not join the right in this grade school defence.

The bottom line if liberty breeds liberty. Oppression and censorship never can.

Mother****er, two people were just murdered.

Read this ****, all the way through, and then try to tell me we need to pretend these *******s are interested in a a civil exercise of free speech.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/27...ly-last-month/

The free speech thing isn't the issue. You have a reporter getting choke-slammed because he asked about the health care bill, and Republicans went right ahead and elected the choke-slammer to the House. You think they really care about free speech? The issue is we need to be worrying about our own. People are literally getting attacked in buses and wal-marts for the color of their skin, and "liberals" are sitting over here fretting about how we can help Milo and Richard Spencer get their message out more easily. We're perfectly justified in protesting these speakers, we're not trying to shut down their free speech. If the City of Portland decides to give them a permit or not, that's not up to us. What we can do is spend our time and energy taking care of real issues that apply to working class liberals (and all working class people by extension).

I had a skim through the responses to Trumps recent Tweets, and some were about how this guy was a Bernie supporter but the FAKE NEWS media don't tell you that etc.

And by the way, the official liberals have already staked out a position where they are defending the free speech of those idiots who want to rally in Portland. The ACLU. And in these situations they typically do more than offer lip service, they actually offer legal services. What are Fox News or the Republicans in Congress doing to condemn Gianforte and his choke-slamming of the press? Nothing, because they don't really care. They're concern trolling you on this issue.

We can preface this, and all discussions, with the fact that Republicans are awful people.

Again two wrongs don't make a right.

Everything you say is true up to the point where we are actively trying to suppress free speech. You do not beat evil with more evil. This is exactly the response the right wants. They get to pretend to be a victim. Let them say thier nonsense. Everything we know about history and sociology tells us they are on the losing side.

Let them lose!

The greatest trick the GOP ever pulled is successfully concern trolling us over "free speech" while electing a guy that openly attacks the media and free speech at every opportunity. You guys are getting played, hard.

I really think we must stop with this "defence". Because the right is awful we should be awful too is the worst possible outcome for the world. The right wins in this world.