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05-29-2017 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not following your logic. If the first part is true, wouldn't that suggest they purposely leaked this to make it look like they think it's a conspiracy so we think nothing really happened? But I guess both could be true also. They're guilty as **** AND it's a deep state conspiracy to out the truth.
The latter would be my guess, but with this clown show admin who knows
05-29-2017 , 12:25 AM
I lived in OK recently, and the education problem was talked about every day in local news. Four day school week is the tip of the iceberg. The solution of the GOP-led state gov of course was to make the poor pay for the problem. People were already paying 11% sales tax ON GROCERIES in Oklahoma. The GOP wants to plug budget deficits with more sales tax, cigarette taxes, and gasoline taxes. Income tax is effectively flat at 5%. Don't you dare raise it any higher on six figure earners.
05-29-2017 , 12:36 AM
Borges on the Peron regime in Argentina, seems relevant to our interests:

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It is useless to list the examples; one can only denounce the duplicity of the fictions of the former regime, which can't be believed and were believed. It will be said that the public's lack of sophistication is enough to explain the contradiction; I believe that the cause is more profound. Coleridge spoke of the "willing suspension of disbelief," that is, poetic faith; Samuel Johnson said, in defense of Shakespeare, that the spectators at a tragedy do not believe they are in Alexandria in the first act and Rome in the second but submit to the pleasure of a fiction. Similarly, the lies of a dictatorship are neither believed nor disbelieved; they pertain to an intermediate plane, and their purpose is to conceal or justify sordid or atrocious realities.
05-29-2017 , 12:50 AM
Well this is new (if real).


https://twitter.com/RobbinSimmons7/s...91562168115200
05-29-2017 , 01:06 AM
Donald's health? Nooooooo...
05-29-2017 , 01:12 AM
Some kind of gateway or vortex leading to hell I think.
05-29-2017 , 01:28 AM
definitely lightsabers
05-29-2017 , 01:28 AM
Seems real. Stopped now. Still no good explanation, unless this counts



https://twitter.com/darth/status/869036657684619264
05-29-2017 , 01:31 AM
left window almost looks like Morse code for MS (or SM). Conspiracy theory explanations welcome
05-29-2017 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
left window almost looks like Morse code for MS (or SM). Conspiracy theory explanations welcome
Mara Salvatrucha has taken over the White House.
05-29-2017 , 01:40 AM
It was obviously the Moscow line.
05-29-2017 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
It was obviously the Moscow line.
05-29-2017 , 01:53 AM
In an absurd attempt at "But Dems do it too", Drudge headline right now is a link to a 2014 Bloomberg article: Inside Obama’s Secret Outreach to Russia

Backchannels are normal folks, nothing to see here. I guess they're assuming nobody will actually read the article and ask themselves "Secret from whom?"
05-29-2017 , 02:12 AM
I think Trumps stupidity is a big part of what makes him endearing to his base.

It's not as easy as targeting racist dumb whites. Trump is kind of a perfect storm for them. He talks like them kinda, he's got a ton of charisma for those types of people, he's a " winner " in their eyes because he's a " billionaire " he's got a super model wife etc.

It isn't as simple as a smart guy coming along and targeting that demographic. Republicans have been doing that for a long time.

It was also a perfect storm in terms of political climate. People finally waking up to the fact that most politicians are owned by the corporations that got them elected. So they wanted an outsider who was independently wealthy.

Then you got the fact that the worst Dem candidate in my lifetime running against him.

I don't think this is the rise of a new America more so just a ton of unlikely circumstances all coming together to form a perfect storm.

Dumb ignorant racist white people have been around a long time. They're still the minority by a pretty large amount though.

Only like 25% of registered voters are republican, like 30% democrat and the rest are independent.

Last edited by StimAbuser; 05-29-2017 at 02:24 AM.
05-29-2017 , 02:23 AM
When Democrats decide who to vote for in primaries "who does the other side hate the most" isn't a top 3 issue like it is with GOP voters. Left-wing Trump never gets elected. There would've been plenty of schadenfreude had Clinton won, but it didn't drive her support.

Even the left's equivalent of deplorables have policy positions beyond rustling conservatives.
05-29-2017 , 02:52 AM
We should make a running list of all the false equivalencies out there:

Anti-vaxxers are the liberal equivalent of creationists. Sure except they're like 5% of liberals, and almost every liberal I know on FB rails on anti-vaxxers. Don't see that with conservatives and creationism. Almost all conservatives literally believe a plucky band of oil industry shills have exposed 97% of mainstream scientist as amoral liars - whoring themselves out for that sweet sweet grant stipend.

MSM is the liberal equivalent of FoxNews - equal and opposite. That's one of those ones that's so stupid you don't even want to address it, except 40% of the country believes it, and about 60% of those literally believe CNN makes **** up whereas Breitbart spits the truth. Ugh.

Soros is just as powerful and dangerous, if not worse, than the Kochs, Adelson, Robert Mercer, Murdoch, the dude who owns Sinclair, etc. Conservatives have the Kochs. Liberals have... Soros. Conservatives have Adelson, liberals have... Soros. Etc. He's like the Maxine Waters or Al Sharpton of tycoons.

What else?
05-29-2017 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I think Trumps stupidity is a big part of what makes him endearing to his base.
Disagree. It's actually the opposite. He's got them conned into believing how rich, smart, and successful he is. Almost all Trumpkins will tell you that billionaires have to be smart to be billionaires.

Along the same lines, what IS endearing to his base is his unpolished style, political incorrectness and naivety - - basically anything that his followers can morph into relatability with the working class. Put that stuff together with all the strengths he lied about having and some rich (and other) bastards who would vote Republican if Satan himself was the candidate, and you've got a solid base.

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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
I don't think this is the rise of a new America more so just a ton of unlikely circumstances all coming together to form a perfect storm.
One major influence left out of this paragraph (and the rest of the post that I snipped) is Russia. We still don't know the full story behind it, or the full impact their meddling had on the election. It's possible we may never know.
05-29-2017 , 03:55 AM
@suzzer99: Basically any comparison between Obama and Trump. Off the dome, the AHCA being compared to ACA in the way it's being "rushed" and passed "unilaterally" by one party.

Also, Merrick Garland to Bork, or Merrick Garland to anything the Dems have done in the last 50 years.

Evolution just a theory like creationism.

There are so many, what a great idea for a sticky.
05-29-2017 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
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What else?
What else? ****ing everything else. That's a defining characteristic of hard right-wing mentality; anything can be equated to anything else if you feel they should be equal. Relevance, context, scale, accuracy, objectivity - these things aren't needed to play the game. The list wouldn't end.
05-29-2017 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
What else? ****ing everything else.
+1
05-29-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Disagree. It's actually the opposite. He's got them conned into believing how rich, smart, and successful he is. Almost all Trumpkins will tell you that billionaires have to be smart to be billionaires.

Along the same lines, what IS endearing to his base is his unpolished style, political incorrectness and naivety - - basically anything that his followers can morph into relatability with the working class. Put that stuff together with all the strengths he lied about having and some rich (and other) bastards who would vote Republican if Satan himself was the candidate, and you've got a solid base.
That's basically what I was getting at. Wasn't saying they like him because they think he's stupid, but because he's stupid and ignorant he's relatable to them. They think being that way makes you smart and a winner, and Trump is their poster boy.

If a really smart version of Trump came along, they wouldn't relate to him.

Last edited by StimAbuser; 05-29-2017 at 04:18 AM.
05-29-2017 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
That's basically what I was getting at. Wasn't saying they like him because they think he's stupid, but because he's stupid and ignorant he's relatable to them. They think being that way makes you smart and a winner, and Trump is their poster boy.
Still not convinced that they're not just in it for the racism and making up everything else as they go, because a guy that racist has to be awesome in every way.
05-29-2017 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
We should make a running list of all the false equivalencies out there:

Anti-vaxxers are the liberal equivalent of creationists. Sure except they're like 5% of liberals, and almost every liberal I know on FB rails on anti-vaxxers. Don't see that with conservatives and creationism. Almost all conservatives literally believe a plucky band of oil industry shills have exposed 97% of mainstream scientist as amoral liars - whoring themselves out for that sweet sweet grant stipend.

MSM is the liberal equivalent of FoxNews - equal and opposite. That's one of those ones that's so stupid you don't even want to address it, except 40% of the country believes it, and about 60% of those literally believe CNN makes **** up whereas Breitbart spits the truth. Ugh.

Soros is just as powerful and dangerous, if not worse, than the Kochs, Adelson, Robert Mercer, Murdoch, the dude who owns Sinclair, etc. Conservatives have the Kochs. Liberals have... Soros. Conservatives have Adelson, liberals have... Soros. Etc. He's like the Maxine Waters or Al Sharpton of tycoons.

What else?
Every illegal and/or disgusting act committed by Trump and his goons is magically nullified by Hillary's emails.
05-29-2017 , 04:22 AM
I'll contribute one and that's it.

thousands of years of accumulated science in the field of ___________ (pick one)
+ lots of recent research
+ advanced modern scientific equipment
+ many talented, highly-educated and trained scientists
+ a strong methodology designed to help ensure results are evaluated objectively/honestly

are collectively equal to (or less than):


Neckbeard X-Files fan with a GED and iMovie loaded on his computer
+ YouTube account
+ conspiracy!
+ you just gotta want to believe

Last edited by Minirra; 05-29-2017 at 04:30 AM.
05-29-2017 , 04:39 AM
"Who am I supposed to vote for? The Democrat who is going to blast me in the ass? Or the Republican who's blasting my ass."
-Dennis Reynolds, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

      
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