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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-26-2017 , 10:02 PM
This is Greek tragedy level stuff. In the end Melania might turn out to be Donald's daughter.
05-26-2017 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
Dominos starting to fall imo

Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch once close to President Trump’s former campaign manager, has offered to cooperate with congressional committees investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election, but lawmakers are unwilling to accept his conditions, according to congressional officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/2...-manafort.html
Republican lawmakers unwilling to let him rat, eh?

That's not really falling
05-26-2017 , 10:12 PM
Listening to Lawrence odonell now and wondering to my self if i would give Flynn immunity? Would you guys? It's so intriguing that he was in that Kushner meeting and he did say he has a story to tell. Maybe Flynn could take down kush and trump. I think i would give Flynn immunity after some thought. What do y'all think?
05-26-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Republican lawmakers unwilling to let him rat, eh?

That's not really falling
Not worried, just waiting for the comey/Mueller dream team to rape them some trump. It's coming.
05-26-2017 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Watching CNN, Dershowitz is always such a Trump shill. Not really sure why. I think he's losing it.
Epstein island
05-26-2017 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
Not worried, just waiting for the comey/Mueller dream team to rape them some trump. It's coming.
Hey, let's fire the FBI director without asking anyone if that's a good idea.
05-26-2017 , 10:17 PM
Also on O'Donnell, they said the intercept of Kislyak took place after he left Trump Tower. So maybe he couldn't wait to report to Putin and whipped out his cell phone on the sidewalk. Some spy. Putin might want to make some personnel adjustments.
05-26-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
Listening to Lawrence odonell now and wondering to my self if i would give Flynn immunity? Would you guys? It's so intriguing that he was in that Kushner meeting and he did say he has a story to tell. Maybe Flynn could take down kush and trump. I think i would give Flynn immunity after some thought. What do y'all think?
I'd say you would need to know what his story is. If it means serious and provable allegations against Trump and others, then yes. Otherwise, I'd say take down Flynn and Manafort since they seem to be the ones who were operating with solid inside-Russia connections.
05-26-2017 , 10:19 PM
Check out fox news website. Pretty heavy anti trump with a,dark pic of kushner/kislyak side by side. One step at a time...
05-26-2017 , 10:19 PM
"Stay strong Flynn." Wasn't that a tweet from Trump?

Trump's team going to be happy getting back to noncriminal, regular lying.
05-26-2017 , 10:21 PM
Does Flynn lose like a $2M pension if convicted. Not sure of rules.
05-26-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
Not worried, just waiting for the comey/Mueller dream team to rape them some trump. It's coming.
Mueller is connected to Trump/Kushner and Comey is kinda dense
05-26-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
I'd say you would need to know what his story is. If it means serious and provable allegations against Trump and others, then yes. Otherwise, I'd say take down Flynn and Manafort since they seem to be the ones who were operating with solid inside-Russia connections.
Taking down those 2 scrum buckets would be fine, however, the danger of trump / sessions for 4 years is worth the upside gamble of Hoping Flynn is holding the nuts and it's gg trump abound co. If we assume there is a greater than 10% chance Flynn could get trump impeached, I say give him immunity.
05-26-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
My informal read is that plenty of people thought or think the median outcome of a Trump Presidency was incompetence or standard-fare, boring, mainstream politics but gambled he was going to make jobs and money fall from the sky and build the wall and make Mexico pay for it and all his other nonsense empty promises.

I don't want to put words in Sklansky's mouth here but think of Trump as the mediocre white person's political lottery ticket. Yeah he seems pretty unstable and might be corruptible or sell us down the river, but his promises sound outstanding, Hillary Clinton puts me to sleep with this boring stuff so: voting for Trump. They priced the downside risk as low because they're white and maybe older, on a fixed income, whatever, figured things couldn't ever get that bad for whites but maybe just maybe he'd do all the magical things he promised. It's not even a bad bet, right? Old angry whites DO have a ton of political leverage. The GOP is probably going to grift some from them but if **** gets really bad, they're gambling the authortarian jackboots will land on the young taking it to the streets and immigrants and black people first, or the pain will be felt by some foreigners we invade or bomb, or whoever, maybe the press will get clubbed, who knows, but ultimately the gamble is that old whites make that the political system go round, and the sytem will eventually genuflect to them and spare them any real downside. It is probably true enough?
this is a great take as usual, although this time around i don't see the gop wasting what they know may be their final chance to do every unpopular thing they've ever dreamed of doing, concealed within the shadows of trump's 24/7 media distraction gift. cutting, undermining, or straight up destroying both healthcare and social programs, selling off public lands, massive tax cuts and redistribution, undercutting public education, and, as bannon said, complete destruction of the administrative state.

i believe the traditional gop of the past would fear the olds, but this new trump version of the gop just does not care. they luckboxed the election and know this window will probably be their last chance in a long, long while where they will ever hold all three branches of government, so they're going to use their one time to undo the system and assist the mega-rich in robbing the american people totally blind, likely knowing worst case most will end up having cushy private sector jobs waiting for them after this is all over.

from the gop's point of view it's a win-win: in some warped alternate reality where things somehow turn out okay, they can take all the credit, while for all other outcomes, they can just blame trump.
05-26-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Mueller is connected to Trump/Kushner and Comey is kinda dense
Mueller appears to be a man that puts country first. I think vague proof of treason will be enough for him to separate himself from his boys. Also that "connection" is over stated imo.

Comey/wapo will be talked about in the future as the ones to get trump impeached. Book it. Comeys testimony will be the beginning of the end for this administration
05-26-2017 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
Taking down those 2 scrum buckets would be fine, however, the danger of trump / sessions for 4 years is worth the upside gamble of Hoping Flynn is holding the nuts and it's gg trump abound co. If we assume there is a greater than 10% chance Flynn could get trump impeached, I say give him immunity.
Even the very rare Democrats whose heads aren't too far up their own asses about NOT VIOLATING NORMS AND THE PRESIDENT, and the extent of the damage Trump and Sessions can do, and their own ability to prevent/mitigate/recover from that damage...

Even those, like, 4 Democrats and 0 Republicans, they are not going to think in weighted outcomes and weighted probabilities. They'll be like American football coaches, or bunting baseball managers
05-26-2017 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
"Stay strong Flynn." Wasn't that a tweet from Trump?

Trump's team going to be happy getting back to noncriminal, regular lying.
Flynn told press about the message. Don't know in what form it was sent.
05-26-2017 , 10:43 PM
Vox and Huffpo can't get a scoop.
05-26-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JoltinJake
Perhaps an important word from the WaPo article:
Well they got to Jared through Flynn. They were intercepting Flynn's messages, unmasked the American names in the intercepts, and Jared's name popped up. So Jared's been in thick with Flynn for a bit.
05-26-2017 , 10:50 PM


Wonder if we have anyone near this circumspect in the face of armegeddon?
05-26-2017 , 10:53 PM
Comey was fired 17 days ago so 17 days=1 Trump year.
05-26-2017 , 10:55 PM
feels about right. well, i mean, 17 days of trump feels like a year. yeah.
05-26-2017 , 10:58 PM
LOL Jesus that was only 17 days ago??
05-26-2017 , 11:00 PM
So this is a big deal? Part 39582 of the trump presidency

All seriousness, it does seem #NotGood for Kushner
05-26-2017 , 11:04 PM
If Ivanka needs comforting while Jared is in prison, I am available.

      
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