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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-25-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Like about 85% of politards, fly is a lawyer.
Oh, well then it's not at all impressive lol. But I pray he's not a prosecutor and never becomes a judge lol.
05-25-2017 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I disagree with much of this. "The Media" is better now than it's ever been, but only if you're a savvy consumer. Since the advent of the written word journalism has been bastardized massively in order to influence public opinion in the direction of what conglomerates/pols want. Hearst built an empire on it, but he was by no means the first.

What scares me is the notion that now not only can facts be spun in any direction (like always) but we have a huge % of our population who can't (or won't) even grasp what the facts even are.
We've always had a huge % of the population who can't grasp facts. They're just quicker exposed now on the internet.

(at least I gave someone in the thread a good laugh at that line...)

People tend to parrot and we've got a total **** at the helm they're parroting.

Trump only bigly pissed off Germany today while driving many of NATO panicking a bit with the whole hey we're not gonna defend ya thing and shoving montenegro's PM just to get at the front of the picture.

#MAGA.
05-25-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not at all sure about that and even if true, it's much easier said than done. Not sure how many times you've been under arrest, but cops have all kinds of methods of putting a ton of pressure on you and I'm not even talking about physical stuff.

I'd be willing to bet that a well played good cop/bad cop interrogation would have most people talking or saying things they shouldn't. It's not so easy to lawyer up. Especially after hours when you're almost certainly looking at spending the night or getting transferred to county.
Not talking to the cops is like standard stuff you learn on TV. You could just deduce it from the miranda warning itself. Not to open a can of worms, but check out Making of a Murderer if you want to see some examples of how police questioning goes.

That said, a couple weeks ago two guys that were working with me almost certainly got out of a driving like Cheech and Chong because they talked to the cops, got a little rapport and the cops said they didn't want to bust working men or something like that.
05-25-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not at all sure about that and even if true, it's much easier said than done. Not sure how many times you've been under arrest, but cops have all kinds of methods of putting a ton of pressure on you and I'm not even talking about physical stuff.

I'd be willing to bet that a well played good cop/bad cop interrogation would have most people talking or saying things they shouldn't. It's not so easy to lawyer up. Especially after hours when you're almost certainly looking at spending the night or getting transferred to county.
Read this article about how a black man got 7 years in jail even though a jury found him not guilty. This is why you never talk to the cops.

http://www.theroot.com/black-man-fou...-to-1795475956
05-25-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Just because he's not a perfect copy of Trump doesn't mean it's not an apt comparison.

Edit: My post is full of ways the two were cut from the same cloth.
Your post really didn't show that.

Your post outlined a few commonalities between the two but there are stark differences between the two.

Ford met or talked with average citizens and workers and by all accounts was friendly with them. He didn't seem to have a Messiah complex at all. He seemed to act like he was still people and not above people like Trump does.

His policies may have sucked, but that isn't like something common between Trump and him as much as it is common between a lot of politicians. AFAIK even if Ford made some racist remarks, he never proposed anything close to Trump's worst policies he has tried to push.

And some of his bad side seems to be at least explainable by drug and alcohol problems. Where as Trump is just a sociopathic daddy's boy.
05-25-2017 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich

Trump only bigly pissed off Germany today while driving many of NATO panicking a bit with the whole hey we're not gonna defend ya thing and shoving montenegro's PM just to get at the front of the picture.

#MAGA.
Trump is pissed at Germany because Obama got a bigger crowd than he can ever imagine and stole his thunder.

05-25-2017 , 08:52 PM
05-25-2017 , 08:57 PM
Anyone saying it's best long term (against the GOP agenda) that Trump got elected now is crazy. Sure, that's one benefit, but GOP 1) Won't always have control over 2/3+ of government, and that's because 2) GOP without Trump as a leading role model won't be willing to break laws and violate the Constitution nearly as much.

Also Trump, aside from starting WW3 or a civil war at home, is capable of unimaginable irreversible damage after just 1 full term.
05-25-2017 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trump only bigly pissed off Germany today while driving many of NATO panicking a bit with the whole hey we're not gonna defend ya thing and shoving montenegro's PM just to get at the front of the picture.
He has an endless supply of pro Putin positions.
05-25-2017 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
The real funny part is Chris Christie tried his best to hitch his fat ass to the Trump Train. And this is AFTER he threw Kushner's father in jail.
It's amazing how far has star has fallen. He won re-election easily with 60% of the vote, and is now three years later pulling a 20% approval rating.
05-25-2017 , 09:04 PM
Wheatrich goes off the rails every like 7th post. It's weird.
05-25-2017 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Trump is pissed at Germany because Obama got a bigger crowd than he can ever imagine and stole his thunder.

Or...

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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/michaelcrowley/s...77125901795329
05-25-2017 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wheatrich goes off the rails every like 7th post. It's weird.
He needs to shut up and fish.
05-25-2017 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Your post really didn't show that.

Your post outlined a few commonalities between the two but there are stark differences between the two.

Ford met or talked with average citizens and workers and by all accounts was friendly with them. He didn't seem to have a Messiah complex at all. He seemed to act like he was still people and not above people like Trump does.

His policies may have sucked, but that isn't like something common between Trump and him as much as it is common between a lot of politicians. AFAIK even if Ford made some racist remarks, he never proposed anything close to Trump's worst policies he has tried to push.

And some of his bad side seems to be at least explainable by drug and alcohol problems. Where as Trump is just a sociopathic daddy's boy.

I think you have a really poor understanding of Ford. This covers some of it:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...ump-rider.html

But yeah, they obviously aren't the same person. But their scandals, use of power for personal enrichment, war with the media, demeaning of large groups of people, blatant lies, are very similar.

I'm not even talking about policy. Trump and Ford aren't horrible for their policies. They're run of the mill bad for their politicians. Their real danger lies elsewhere.
05-25-2017 , 09:12 PM
In b4 Jared Kushner has played a limited role in the Trump family.
05-25-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Anyone saying it's best long term (against the GOP agenda) that Trump got elected now is crazy. Sure, that's one benefit, but GOP 1) Won't always have control over 2/3+ of government, and that's because 2) GOP without Trump as a leading role model won't be willing to break laws and violate the Constitution nearly as much.

Also Trump, aside from starting WW3 or a civil war at home, is capable of unimaginable irreversible damage after just 1 full term.
Im saying it COULD end up being best if he indeed gets impeached within 1-2 years and multiple GOP go down with him(Pence/Ryan). I'm bullish on this happening. Obv there's risk of WWIII but so was having a competent R president down the road that was able to pass their horrible agenda that ends up killing untold # of people.

I prefer to this attitude than the WAAF a mentality. Perhaps a little optimistic but my money is on Comey/IC vs the dude who sold steaks on sharper image.
05-25-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Wheatrich goes off the rails every like 7th post. It's weird.
That's b/c he's a concern trolling right winger. He's just letting the veil slip.
05-25-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Gianforte winning by 5 isn't a good sign for dems, gianforte lost gov same time trump won by 20.

Quist basically ran on bernie's platform and still lost a winnable race. Dems as a party are moving farther to the left but america kinda isn't. Dems are gonna pick up seats, but I haven't seen anything that suggests they'll do enough to take back the house, and that's what they need to do.
Yeah I don't want this to devolve into an ideological left passing match but I agree, there is certainly a vocal element of the left that is probably too extreme to appeal to the masses.

There are all sorts of issues that shouldn't be platform planks for either side but extreme groups fight hard to get them as much attention as possible. Ultimately I don't think this divide, if it can be called that, will hurt the democrats long term. Perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part. I honestly don't see a Sanders edged candidate will win the democratic nomination in 2020. But these other seats are certainly important. The problem is if you get enough entrenched extreme ideologues you end up with the obstructionist disaster the Republican Party is dealing with.

If that is where people see the fight going for the democrats I think the future is bleak for both parties and our political system.
05-25-2017 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 425kid
What time do results start coming out in Montana?
10:00 EST but they are notoriously slow to count. If all the early votes are dumped right around 10 we wil lhave a good idea of what is going to happen because I've got to believe the votes form today will skew towards the democrat.
Apparently the SOS was getting inundated with calls from people who wanted to change their absentee vote, but under Montana law there is no mechanism to do that.
05-25-2017 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Is sucking in your gut and having man tits supposed to be impressive?
05-25-2017 , 09:46 PM
I imagine the Alex penis is just a nub that looks like one of those Pink DOTS candies they used to sell at the movies.
05-25-2017 , 09:46 PM
05-25-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Yeah I don't want this to devolve into an ideological left passing match but I agree, there is certainly a vocal element of the left that is probably too extreme to appeal to the masses.

There are all sorts of issues that shouldn't be platform planks for either side but extreme groups fight hard to get them as much attention as possible. Ultimately I don't think this divide, if it can be called that, will hurt the democrats long term. Perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part. I honestly don't see a Sanders edged candidate will win the democratic nomination in 2020. But these other seats are certainly important. The problem is if you get enough entrenched extreme ideologues you end up with the obstructionist disaster the Republican Party is dealing with.

If that is where people see the fight going for the democrats I think the future is bleak for both parties and our political system.
That happens so much more easily with the Republicans because shutting down the government is something they want.
05-25-2017 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Is sucking in your gut and having man tits supposed to be impressive?
...it's not? Crap.
05-25-2017 , 09:51 PM
I still can't believe that Alex Jones is 43 years old.

      
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