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05-25-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
You are a lawyer. I'm curious on your take with the misdeamor charge as opposed to felony assault.

I once got punched one time by a guy with zero provocation and it was felony assault and he ended up serving five years. I don't really know what the law is in Montana but do you think it was a judgment call in terms of going for the lesser charge? Seems with the witnesses and such there had to be room to potentially make a case for a felony.
go on
05-25-2017 , 09:51 AM
That's sounds crazy. Hopefully you were ok and there wasn't serious damage.
05-25-2017 , 09:51 AM
When see a picture of of Gianforte all I see is



Stay out of Montana, Jacobs! Stay out of Montana, deadbeat! Keep your ugly ****in' goldbrickin' ass out of my mountain community!
05-25-2017 , 09:56 AM
What are the betting odds that Gianforte wins, then brags about putting that liberal elitist reporter in his place during his victory speech? I bet that would play really well with his base.
05-25-2017 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
go on
Was a weird situation. I was on vacation in Hawaii with my family and used to hang out with other kids we met there. However I had just got there that day and was sick so I was not hanging out. I had actually been hanging out with my parents. On the way back to my room I stopped at this hedge area that separated the grass from the beach. It was poorly lit but I would regularly see people I knew around there.

I was only there for a couple of minutes when some people came up the path from the beach. I said "What's up?" Just in an acknowledging hello way. One of the guys actually didn't even punch me but open hand slapped me. Basically dropped me as it pushed me jaw in one side and out the other. The guy was a local of Somoan heritage who turned out to be on drugs and extremely drunk (courtesy of a party thrown by the place I was stating at).

Due to where we were I had to be driven to the hospital because it would have taken twice as long to wait on an ambulance. I got my jaw wired shut on Christmas Day. Somehow I still managed to get layed with my jaw wired shut.

Anyways the guy had a record so obviously that was a mitigating factor. I went through a civil suit against several involved parties that lasted over ten years.

I wish I could say I did or said anything at all to have made it seem encouraged or some kind of confrontation. Besides his sentence he owed me restitution of like $5000 and I think I got a $14 check once.
05-25-2017 , 09:59 AM
Update on my previous post. Fox News has now had Alicia Acuna on to talk about the incident:


https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...34607692779521
05-25-2017 , 10:04 AM
if a poor person did that they would go to jail for several years
05-25-2017 , 10:06 AM
Just imagine the fallout from a black politician doing that.
05-25-2017 , 10:07 AM
In many states a poor person could get a life sentence for this act if they had two previous felonies on their record:

Three Strikes Laws in Different States
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar...nt-states.html
05-25-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Just imagine the fallout from a black politician doing that.
Remember when Obama was just the worst and most dangerous dude ever because he went to church where a dude preached who one time in a sermon said "God Damn America"?

That sermon is more accurate and prescient by the minute, btw.
05-25-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Honestly, re: the Montana seat.

If this results in Gianforte getting elected and Congress sucking worse, it's much more likely we can pick up the seat in 2018, when it really matters anyway. It would be nice to win now, but 2018 is the real goal.
If every seat up for re-election goes Democrat from a previous strong Republican hold then maybe the Republicans will realize they're going down anyway so they might as well jump ship and stop pushing the junk that's being put forth.
05-25-2017 , 10:22 AM
Jeff Sessions is beyond words. Like Richard Russell is a titan of compassion in comparison. If anyone doubts that the South is still the South, just look at this ****. He is pure scum and proof the long arc of history is not guaranteed to bend towards justice. We have to stop assuming otherwise.
05-25-2017 , 10:28 AM
The people of Montana deserve better than a Democrat who does not share their values. A vote for Gianforte, his resignation, and another primary and special general election to fill the seat is the better alternative for Montana.
05-25-2017 , 10:30 AM
lol.
05-25-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Jeff Sessions is beyond words. Like Richard Russell is a titan of compassion in comparison. If anyone doubts that the South is still the South, just look at this ****. He is pure scum and proof the long arc of history is not guaranteed to bend towards justice. We have to stop assuming otherwise.
Does anyone doubt for a second that Sessions would bring back slavery if he could get away with it?
05-25-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
If every seat up for re-election goes Democrat from a previous strong Republican hold then maybe the Republicans will realize they're going down anyway so they might as well jump ship and stop pushing the junk that's being put forth.
Nah, anything that hurts our chances in 2018 is bad. Gotta play the (semi) long game here. The goal is to take the House and keep the Senate within 3 seats or so. Then subpoena everyone in the White House, hold a million hearings, and make them all look like complete ****.
05-25-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Jeff Sessions is beyond words. Like Richard Russell is a titan of compassion in comparison. If anyone doubts that the South is still the South, just look at this ****. He is pure scum and proof the long arc of history is not guaranteed to bend towards justice. We have to stop assuming otherwise.
You have to be either incredible scum or incredibly stupid or both to still be a drug warrior in 2017.
05-25-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Well for one thing POTUS could pardon Sessions of any potential crimes before he's prosecuted. But the thing is any efforts would stall out at the pre-investigation level. No investigation => No prosecution, naturally.
Sessions could already be part of several investigations, namely FBI's and Mueller's.
05-25-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Does anyone doubt for a second that Sessions would bring back slavery if he could get away with it?
he just did last week
05-25-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LFS
When see a picture of of Gianforte all I see is



Stay out of Montana, Jacobs! Stay out of Montana, deadbeat! Keep your ugly ****in' goldbrickin' ass out of my mountain community!
Any chance Jacobs was spotted drinking White Russians in the hour or so before the incident? Google comes up empty
05-25-2017 , 10:46 AM
some of you remember this

05-25-2017 , 10:58 AM
For a bunch of gorilla mindset alpha males, these guys sure are a bunch of spineless jellyfish.


https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...44418945798145
05-25-2017 , 10:59 AM
I wonder why poconoder posted like, a picture of a newspaper article there. That happened in 2000. You could just link to stories about it, we had the internet then. ****ing chain emails got replaced by facebook share images for these people.

But yes, poco, I do remember. Please, go on and elaborate what your ****ing point is.
05-25-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
You are a lawyer. I'm curious on your take with the misdeamor charge as opposed to felony assault.

I once got punched one time by a guy with zero provocation and it was felony assault and he ended up serving five years. I don't really know what the law is in Montana but do you think it was a judgment call in terms of going for the lesser charge? Seems with the witnesses and such there had to be room to potentially make a case for a felony.
I don't know what state you were in, but here is the assault statute in Montana:

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45-5-201. Assault. (1) A person commits the offense of assault if the person:
(a) purposely or knowingly causes bodily injury to another;
(b) negligently causes bodily injury to another with a weapon;
(c) purposely or knowingly makes physical contact of an insulting or provoking nature with any individual; or
(d) purposely or knowingly causes reasonable apprehension of bodily injury in another.
(2) A person convicted of assault shall be fined not to exceed $500 or be imprisoned in the county jail for any term not to exceed 6 months, or both.
That seems appropriate for what he did, either under subsection a or c.

Here's the "aggravated assault" (felony) statute for Montana:

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45-5-202. Aggravated assault. (1) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault if the person purposely or knowingly causes serious bodily injury to another or purposely or knowingly, with the use of physical force or contact, causes reasonable apprehension of serious bodily injury or death in another.
(2) A person convicted of aggravated assault shall be imprisoned in the state prison for a term not to exceed 20 years and may be fined not more than $50,000, except as provided in 46-18-219 and 46-18-222.
Since there wasn't serious physical injury, or the threat of serious physical injury, you don't have aggravated assault. The charge seems proper to me. Granted I haven't read the entire Montana Penal Law (not my state) so I suppose there could be other felony statutes I'm missing, but misdemeanor assault would be the charge filed in my state (New York) for conduct like this.

Edit: Also, 5 years for a one punch assault in any state sounds ridiculous. Were there other aggravating factors? Were you seriously injured? Did the guy have a significant criminal record?
05-25-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LFS
When see a picture of of Gianforte all I see is



Stay out of Montana, Jacobs! Stay out of Montana, deadbeat! Keep your ugly ****in' goldbrickin' ass out of my mountain community!
Real reactionary, man.

      
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