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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-24-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
I don't believe even Trump is so insane as to try to pardon himself. To try to pardon everyone around him for everything they may have done would be an abuse of power even the GOP congress wouldn't tolerate. But then this is an already way more lol universe than i could have imagined a year ago.
Is it, though? Trump says something like, "This is the worst, believe me, the worst witch hunt in the history of politics. Biggest ever. In Americ--- no, in the history of the world. Just the biggest. Carried out by the worst people. The Democrats are mad, they're angry. They lost an election, I won - I wasn't supposed to win, but I did, in the biggest electoral college victory ever. 306 electoral votes, they said I had no chance. They're mad they lost an election they were supposed to win. Just a huge, huge, bigly victory for me. Bigly. So this witch hunt, it's just nothing there. They're stopping us from helping the real Americans who need help. So we need to get back to Making America Great Again, and because of that I'm pardoning everyone they're going after so we can get back to winning bigly and Making America Great Again. This witch hunt is officially over."

How many Congressional Republicans would actually stand up to that? Keep in mind these *******s are trying to ask about leaks against Trump/the administration in all these hearings.
05-24-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spidercrab


The Trump presidency has really brought out some elite memeing and photoshopping.
Pope Francis looks absolutely disgusted to be in the presence of the Trump family. Hell the Trump family minus Donald looks miserable.

I mean given the mini-feud Francis and Donald had during the primary, it's unsurprising. But still the guy can't husband enough strength to fake a smile.

Last edited by SuperUberBob; 05-24-2017 at 12:31 PM.
05-24-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
I don't believe even Trump is so insane as to try to pardon himself. To try to pardon everyone around him for everything they may have done would be an abuse of power even the GOP congress wouldn't tolerate. But then this is an already way more lol universe than i could have imagined a year ago.
GOP could very well be the ones in need of those presidential pardons.
05-24-2017 , 12:26 PM
The irony is that some people push to say that the Berniecrats or whatever are following some cult of Bernie, but Bernie, as everyone points out, isn't that charismatic, charming, etc. He's an old curmudgeon. The only thing that attracts people to him is he has a simple concrete narrative and simple concrete solutions, both of which carry much more emotional gravitas than the Clinton Third Way The Are No Bad People Except Racists We Just Need To Find Better Solutions And Here Is a 10 Point Solution Involving Having To Know Derivatives To Fill Out Your Taxes and he's been consistent over time. You can hand off the movement to practically anyone as long as they have an honest track record.
05-24-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Want to gloat at Hannity downfall but as with Papa Bear the frothy mob of old white idiots will instantly worship his probably even dumber successor
FoxNews sinks to 3rd in ratings for the first time in? decades? Maybe not. In any case it's a free roll for us. Let's get Hannity out and see what happens.
05-24-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
Democrats are really missing an opportunity with the Seth Rich thing.

Rather than focus on how inhumane, cruel, and immoral it is... Because no conservatives give a **** about any of that stuff, that's for pansy ass lib cucks.

They should be focusing on why Hannity is casting doubt on Law Enforcement and isn't supporting the cops and investigators who are trying to do their jobs. Why he's incriminating DC Police as a bunch of liars that put Democrats above their concern for public safety.
You mean like when Trump made fun of a POW war hero and his base deserted him? They don't give a flying ****. Trump could come out tomorrow and bash homeless disabled vets for mooching off the system and they'd cheer him on.
05-24-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
The irony is that some people push to say that the Berniecrats or whatever are following some cult of Bernie, but Bernie, as everyone points out, isn't that charismatic, charming, etc. He's an old curmudgeon. The only thing that attracts people to him is he has a simple concrete narrative and simple concrete solutions, both of which carry much more emotional gravitas than the Clinton Third Way The Are No Bad People Except Racists We Just Need To Find Better Solutions And Here Is a 10 Point Solution Involving Having To Know Derivatives To Fill Out Your Taxes and he's been consistent over time. You can hand off the movement to practically anyone as long as they have an honest track record.
I'd say he's more charismatic than you give him credit for. His speeches may not have the soaring rhetoric that Obama employs, but he does control his pitch/volume well, and he delivers extremely well on self-righteous anger. He's extremely credible on fighting for the lower/middle class and against the 1%. His advertisements were spectacular, and he had stump speech lines that resonated and got the crowds riled up.

If Obama is a 10/10 on charisma and Clinton is a 3/10, Bernie is in between in the 5-6 range. Also, in a time where there is a lot of anger in the lower/middle class and you need to harness it, he's about as good as it gets. Trump did the same thing on the right.

Finally, handing it off to someone with an honest track record is easier said than done... How many honest track records exist in Congress? Also, I'd probably use the word genuine or steadfast. It's not just honesty, it's unwavering commitment to a set of issues over a long career. You can be honest and flip flop like crazy without lying about it. That's not genuine, though.

So it's not to say someone couldn't change their mind on a few issues, or shift positions a little, but they need to be genuine to be as beloved as Bernie has been.
05-24-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
You can hand off the movement to practically anyone as long as they have an honest track record.
So, like no one.

Ok, tongue in cheek there.

But, generally I don't think there should be a concentration on central figures or leaders/representatives. We just need delegates from time to time.
05-24-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
So apparently the pope presented Drumpf with a lengthy document on man-made climate change. Nicely done!
A one page bullet pointed piece would have exponentially more effect.
05-24-2017 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
just sent an email to bass pro shops, gonna copy/paste a similar email to a few other companies as well. here it is, if anybody wants to use it as a template to write or say something similar-
Bass Pro Shops seems like the hardest target of all those. If they pulled out of Hannity and made a show of it - they'd lose a TON of business. Start with something like Directv imo.
05-24-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by superleeds
A one page bullet pointed piece would have exponentially more effect.
• people burn oil and coal

• planet get hotter

• mar-a-largo flooded

• trump lose money

• trump stop oil burning?
05-24-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I knew Ford pardoned Nixon, but I hadn't thought about the fact that he hadn't been charged yet - obviously everyone knew he had committed a crime, but the process hadn't started. Obviously Trump has no respect for the office, so this becomes a distinct possibility.

In fact, what if Trump just pardoned everyone on his campaign/administration right now, would it effectively end the criminal investigations? Some could be removed from their positions by impeachment, but not that many. His supporters would LOVE the strongman aspect of this. I guess Congress could still investigate it via committee just to get the facts.
My god if he actually did something like that. People always say "How did the Nazis go along with it for so long?" And you could point to every Trump supporter after he pardoned his entire cabinet and say "You, you would be the Nazi who goes along with it until the end."
05-24-2017 , 01:09 PM
And then they would say you are mean and the reason they voted for Trump in the first place and you would commence to rip out your own eardrums out of pure insanity.
05-24-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
My god if he actually did something like that. People always say "How did the Nazis go along with it for so long?" And you could point to every Trump supporter after he pardoned his entire cabinet and say "You, you would be the Nazi who goes along with it until the end."
I have no doubt that every hardcore Trump supporter I know would actively cheer Muslims and pretty much anyone publicly critical of Trump getting rounded up into camps. My Aunt might have a twinge when I get shipped off. But she'd rationalize it.

It's scary. Flip 40% to 60% and this country becomes fascism very quickly.
05-24-2017 , 01:31 PM
"It's for his own good, really. Liberalism really is a mental disorder."
05-24-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Bass Pro Shops seems like the hardest target of all those. If they pulled out of Hannity and made a show of it - they'd lose a TON of business. Start with something like Directv imo.
i know, it's really the only one of those ****hole companies that i regularly do business with tho. been meaning to ***** at them for a while for downgrading their fishing selection anyway so **** them
05-24-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Pope Francis looks absolutely disgusted to be in the presence of the Trump family. Hell the Trump family minus Donald looks miserable.

I mean given the mini-feud Francis and Donald had during the primary, it's unsurprising. But still the guy can't husband enough strength to fake a smile.
The Pope isn't smiling because he's angry or has a case of the sads. He's sending a message to leaders around the world. "This guy cannot be trusted."
05-24-2017 , 01:40 PM
Could Mike Flynn already have an immunity deal with the FBI?

That could explain the public immunity request turning into a stonewall to the committees 2 months later.

I'm trying to think of the timing of it and when he could have flipped. I also still think there's a chance that Flynn's FBI cooperation was what Nunes discovered on his mystery excursion. It would explain the report that he, the guy who let him into the WH, and the Flynn protégé (the one who was getting fired, but Trump stepped in to save his job) went into the SCIF that night to hack into the FBI files to see his Q&A. If they were successful, they could have discovered Flynn had flipped. After that, **** went haywire...Nunes ran to Paul Ryan first thing in the morning, and to brief Trump, and to brief the press. During the press conference, his answers were babble and he looked like a guilty-ass ghost. Trump had him blowing up committees, and canceling hearings with Yates about Flynn, and running other obvious interference for 2+ weeks, until he was forced to recuse.

Any issues with this theory? One last comment is that I'm fairly certain the committees would need to check with the Feds, each other, etc. before granting immunity to someone.
05-24-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
"It's for his own good, really. Liberalism really is a mental disorder."
Yup. I am unpatriotic and exposing the country to danger. No one wanted it to come to this, but our future as a nation is at stake.
05-24-2017 , 01:44 PM
Alright maybe I am wrong. Dude clearly hates Trump. LOL.

05-24-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
The Pope isn't smiling because he's angry or has a case of the sads. He's sending a message to leaders around the world. "This guy cannot be trusted."
And Donald looks like "Hey, I got this great car to sell you. Trust me."
05-24-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
just sent an email to bass pro shops, gonna copy/paste a similar email to a few other companies as well. here it is, if anybody wants to use it as a template to write or say something similar-
Good letter, but it'd be much more effective if you learned that proper nouns like "seth rich" need to be capitalized.
05-24-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yup. I am unpatriotic and exposing the country to danger. No one wanted it to come to this, but our future as a nation is at stake.
It's definitely turning into a major struggle. I honestly can't tell who's the favorite at the moment. But, it does appear to be heating up more as the stakes of the Trump situation increase.

Side note: An impeachment would set the base OFF.
05-24-2017 , 02:04 PM
Trump f*cked up again and told the Phillipines President offhandedly that we have two nuclear subs near North Korea

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Pentagon officials are in shock after the release of a transcript between President Donald Trump and his Philippines counterpart reveals that the US military had moved two nuclear submarines towards North Korea

We never talk about subs!” three officials told BuzzFeed News, referring to the military's belief that keeping submarines' movement stealth is key to their mission.

While the US military will frequently announce the deployment of aircraft carriers, it is far more careful when discussing the movement of nuclear submarines. Carriers are hard to miss, and that in part, is a reason the US military deploys them. They are a physical show of forces. Submarines are, at times, a furtive complement to the carriers, a hard-to-detect means of strategic deterrence.

According to a transcript of the call, released Wednesday, Trump called Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte April 29 to discuss, in part, the rising threat from North Korea. During that call, while discussing ways to mitigate North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s nuclear ambitions, Trump said: “We have two submarines – the best in the world – we have two nuclear submarines – not that we want to use them at all. I’ve never seen anything like they are but we don’t have to use this but [Kim] could be crazy so we will see what happens.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/nancyyousse...LXV#.mv7PwJDpQ
05-24-2017 , 02:05 PM
That's the reason Trump isn't getting impeached. It would set the base off and the GOP would get crushed in the elections.

      
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