I think his primary loss might have broken him, I remember that when he was recruited he was seen as legit.

Can the President pardon someone who hasn't even been charged yet, let alone convicted? Typically pardons are for those who were convicted. He can't be charged while he's in office, so it seems unlikely to me that he can pardon himself unless I'm missing something.

Like, if this was the case, wouldn't Nixon have pardoned himself? For that matter, wouldn't every president's final act of office be to effectively pardon themselves for anything/everything, just in case?

He could certainly pardon people like Flynn once they're convicted, and the optics/politics would be AWFUL... so it'll probably happen.

cuse- I'm completely uninterested in phrasing critiques to avoid hurt feelings tho. Really anyone whose support of Bernie was a weird emotional connection to anti-establishment grandpa isn't going to be part of the solution. Policies>candidates. Appeal to the material conditions of the electorate.

Bernie is top 5 all time politician in terms of integrity. That's a big part of why people loved him. He's been 100% consistent on all his ideas and issues. And his idea's are good wtf you talking about. His idea's were basically in line with every other first world country.

Not sure how he'd do in a general because Americans are stupid, but he's awesome.

Also, the DNC conspired to cheat him out of the primary with Hillary.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...24106476195841

Not exposing their secrets to the Russians twice in one week would have been a better start. It also helps to know the location of the place you're trying to protect. Third, treating their enemies with more dignity on the same trip should secure the deal.

Future Trump never disappoints.

just sent an email to bass pro shops, gonna copy/paste a similar email to a few other companies as well. here it is, if anybody wants to use it as a template to write or say something similar-

Like, uh, did you keep reading the rest of my post about what the people I'm talking about are up to lately regarding Seth Rich?

I don't really care what the Democratic party does as opposed to individuals, but they probably shouldn't embrace any kind of right of center anti-establishment types. There's room for people on the left and a very few honest people on the right to work together on a few specific things around campaign finance and lobbying.

Anti-globalization is a very uneasy partnership because the rightist and leftist reasoning is completely at odds.

The Trump presidency has really brought out some elite memeing and photoshopping.

Ford pardoned Nixon, who hadn't been impeached, removed from office, or indicted. NPR mentioned that Nixon actually considered pardonning himself. Nixon had some self-respect, or at least respect for the office, i guess.

For the United States, the researchers concluded that the correlation between a person's individual political attitude and happiness is stronger in those years in which this political attitude is broadly accepted and widespread -- conservative Americans were at their happiest when the overall political climate was rather conservative. In those years in which a more liberal climate prevailed, they were not generally happier than liberals. This explains the fluctuations that can be observed for the United States over the past 40 years. "In 2004, when the climate was decidedly conservative, there was a particularly strong correlation. In that year, life satisfaction was very high among conservatives," says Stavrova.

Not just Pence, but a non zero chance of taking a multitude of Republicans down with him makes it all the more appetizing.

I wasn't really suggesting it over hurt feelings. Rather, I don't think we should be helping the GOP label Bernie bros as socialists and conspiracy nutjobs. When we suggest or even allow for the notion that they comprise a large percentage of his supporters, we reduce the impact of a movement that can help us a great deal over the next few elections.

lol when you said Rich **** I thought you were talking about policies towards the super rich, not Seth Rich.

Where are you seeing them do that? I browse the bernie subreddits and I haven't seen anything on it. In fact all I've seen is them having the same stance as all sane people, for the Trumpers to leave his parents alone and talking about how crazy the conspiracy is.

Are you just talking about a handful of crazies on twitter?

I knew Ford pardoned Nixon, but I hadn't thought about the fact that he hadn't been charged yet - obviously everyone knew he had committed a crime, but the process hadn't started. Obviously Trump has no respect for the office, so this becomes a distinct possibility.

In fact, what if Trump just pardoned everyone on his campaign/administration right now, would it effectively end the criminal investigations? Some could be removed from their positions by impeachment, but not that many. His supporters would LOVE the strongman aspect of this. I guess Congress could still investigate it via committee just to get the facts.

This, too. If a handful of prominent Republicans tumble before 2018, that's going to be huge electorally because it makes their party look terrible overall. As long as Democrats take the House (or Senate, but House seems more possible) in 2018, I'm less concerned over who's in the White House as long as it's not Trump. They can block the legislation in Congress, anyway, and there's only so much that can be done via EO and very little of it will last past 2020 when the Democrats are highly likely to win.

You might be right, but who ****ing cares? Trump is President. Clinton is irrelevant.

Lol @ you.

So apparently the pope presented Drumpf with a lengthy document on man-made climate change. Nicely done!

Uh, being socialist is good. That's the good part of the Bernie movement, the people who sincerely believe in his ideas and liked Bernie because he was the only candidate endorsing them.

You want to know what hurts the movement? People talking about the DNC rigging the primary. That **** did not happen. That sort of conspiracy-minded cynicism about the nature of government gave a TON of left-wing credibility to every ****ing right wing Wikileaks attack.

The movement needs to be divorced from Bernie, not wedded to him. He's old and unlikely to run again.

Lol you are like a satire of yourself.

Someone needs to photoshop the picture behind them into a mirror that shows only the reflection of the pope and not the others.

Not electorally in the United States, and in the opinion of most, not on all issues. Most people if you explained what socialist policies are and what areas are currently socialized would fall on a scale where they view some areas as clearly better off socialized (even a lot of GOP voters like medicare and social security), some as needing more regulation (ie avoiding another financial meltdown), and some as able to be left alone/as-is.

As for the primary, it really depends on how you define rigged. The system was stacked against him from the start, and the DNC obviously didn't want him to win. They weren't stuffing ballot boxes, hacking the election, etc, but the system gave Clinton a lot of built-in advantages.

I don't think it's as simple as divorcing the movement from Bernie. He needs to lead it to the next person who's going to carry the mantle. I don't see one right now, so he's still critically important.

Apparently real Americans only eat yellow mustard or something. You could just see a bunch of midwesterners silently throwing out their Grey Poupon after this. Or at least never buying it again.

I don't believe even Trump is so insane as to try to pardon himself. To try to pardon everyone around him for everything they may have done would be an abuse of power even the GOP congress wouldn't tolerate. But then this is an already way more lol universe than i could have imagined a year ago.

Obama probably also says "garage".