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Originally Posted by jman220
Edit: This is why nobody on the Dem team should want Trump impeached/forced to resign prior to the 2018 midterms (unless you are legit scared of him causing the end of hte world which I guess is possible), because if dems can retake the house there is an extremely outside chance that they get the presidency if Pence turns out to be tied up in this as well.
Edit Edit: Although this has an extraordinarily low chance of happenning, the irony of Donald Trump colluding with the Russians to stop the first female president from occurring (a centrist democrat at that), only to lead to President Nancy Pelosi in 2019 would be rich.
I think that reducing the risk of not only the end of the world, nuclear war, etc, but also just being mired in Syria or North Korea or wherever for the next decade is worth getting him out ASAP. Also, I have to imagine that procedurally the Dems could slow down two separate impeachment proceedings enough to have it take 18 months... Keep in mind that even impeachment in the House will require Democratic votes because some of the hard-right Republicans will never go for it. So unless they have Pence with a huge smoking gun, I doubt he's impeachable before the midterms anyway.
To me the risk vs. reward is simply Actual Republican Competence at Passing Bad Laws vs. Reducing Likelihood of Nuclear War/End of the World.
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A fair amount of the non-socialist Bernie Bro crowd(idk what to call these people, they seriously don't seem to really have any political beliefs but they hated Hillary) are amplifying the Rich **** from the "left", including Tim Canova, the guy who tried to primary DWS. That's really ****ing unhealthy.
I get your point, but I think it's worth pointing out that there are a lot of non-socialist Bernie supporters who are more moderate than the Democratic party on average... some even right of center. I'd fall into the category of moderate Democrat who is pretty far left or FIRMLY moderate-left on a few issues (mainly healthcare, income inequality, Citizens United), and I'm a big fan of Bernie. But I'm not a socialist (I believe it works in some sectors but should not be used in all.) or a conspiracy theorist.
So even though I get your point, I think that it's more productive to describe the left-wing nutjobs in a way that doesn't implicate many of Bernie's wide-ranging supporters who make up a huge chunk of this party going forward.