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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-24-2017 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
The idea that we should feel sorry for people like Melania, Spicer, and Ivanka is deeply wrapped up in the notion of white privilege. We see white, respectable looking people and we want to humanize them, we want to empathize with them. We're programmed to do so, it's not through any huge personal failing of each of us. But they weaponize these same instincts against us, so just be aware of what's going on.
i dont feel sorry for her. i do, however, respect dat troll game
05-24-2017 , 10:16 AM
I'll allow it
05-24-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
This is bogus psychology and you need to stop. People can have empathy without it having to do with white privilege. Like a whole lot of people who feel bad for Melania Trump itt probably also felt bad for Michelle Obama and her daughters for having to deal with hateful and racists comments.
TBF it is is hard to find fault with Einbert's reasoning here. Melania is pretty so we want to empathize with her and think good things about her despite all evidence to the contrary. As far as I know there is no law against divorcing a sitting president and she has an iron-clad case. Could reap millions in in alimony/blackmail without much effort.

A more likely explanation is that she is an awful person who likes being married to Donald Trump; the end. Maybe she's a bit of a homebody that doesn't want to give up a penthouse with Central Park views to live in a glorified government office? That would certainly not be her most inexplicable predilection.
05-24-2017 , 10:24 AM
you have to admit, it's pretty ****ing boss to be the wife of the president of the united states and constantly slapping his ****ing hand away in public. she's just like "**** you i hate you and i want the whole world to see it" 24/7
05-24-2017 , 10:27 AM
Four months into the Trump Presidency and I'm over here like
05-24-2017 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
TBF it is is hard to find fault with Einbert's reasoning here. Melania is pretty so we want to empathize with her and think good things about her despite all evidence to the contrary. As far as I know there is no law against divorcing a sitting president and she has an iron-clad case. Could reap millions in in alimony/blackmail without much effort.

A more likely explanation is that she is an awful person who likes being married to Donald Trump; the end. Maybe she's a bit of a homebody that doesn't want to give up a penthouse with Central Park views to live in a glorified government office? That would certainly not be her most inexplicable predilection.
You just named a fault with Einbert's reasoning in your second sentence. That Melania is pretty. Some dudes empathize with her because they think with their dicks, not because she's a honky like a lot us itt.

And actually Einbert, Melania is probably a victim of Trump's infidelity, something Michelle Obama never had to deal with. I can actually feel sorry for her for that reason if it ever comes out.
05-24-2017 , 10:31 AM
Well I didn't mention it explicitly but I do think attractiveness also plays a role in all of this. We already know that people are more likely to trust + empathize with attractive people.

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And actually Einbert, Melania is probably a victim of Trump's infidelity, something Michelle Obama never had to deal with. I can actually feel sorry for her for that reason if it ever comes out.
That's fair enough, I can understand where you're coming from. Melania was probably a bad example as she isn't really officially part of the administration, in a way she's kind of an innocent bystander I suppose.
05-24-2017 , 10:33 AM
Trump is pretty much a lock to have leverage over Melanie. Whether it's their son, her family or friends, a prenuptial or marital NDA (ha), he's just that type.
05-24-2017 , 10:38 AM
According to BBC, the pope suggested Melania feed the fat man some cake- A Slovenian cake called potica. Francis knows how to say cake in at least 7 languages. Trump knows how to eat cake.
05-24-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Trump is pretty much a lock to have leverage over Melanie. Whether it's their son, her family or friends, a prenuptial or marital NDA (ha), he's just that type.
she doesn't have proper immigration credentials
05-24-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LFS
This looks like some sort of good meets evil kind of thing.
05-24-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
The point is that hardcore racism+fascism is not just a "Nazi" thing. It's a deeply and almost uniquely American thing. We were doing institutional racism so well the Nazis had to copy some of our techniques to keep up, and even then they found some of what we were doing to be too extreme to be practical.
Okay? I guess I'm not seeing the relevance.

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Originally Posted by Paul D
This is bogus psychology and you need to stop. People can have empathy without it having to do with white privilege. Like a whole lot of people who feel bad for Melania Trump itt probably also felt bad for Michelle Obama and her daughters for having to deal with hateful and racists comments.

Side note: **** Melania imo
This.
05-24-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LFS
Pope Francis looks ****ing pissed.
05-24-2017 , 11:02 AM
Melanie can eat ****. She is married to Donald ****ing Trump. Don't get me wrong, I love her humiliating him, but at the end of the day she agreed to marry Donald ****ing Trump.
05-24-2017 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
According to BBC, the pope suggested Melania feed the fat man some cake- A Slovenian cake called potica. Francis knows how to say cake in at least 7 languages. Trump knows how to eat cake.
I feel there's some sort of Marie Antoinette message the Pope is trying to send.
05-24-2017 , 11:05 AM
there are certain drawbacks and risks that come along with marrying for money, which is why i dont feel bad for her. but she should be applauded for being cold and distant and continually telling him to go **** himself when they're together in public tho
05-24-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Trump is pretty much a lock to have leverage over Melanie. Whether it's their son, her family or friends, a prenuptial or marital NDA (ha), he's just that type.
Agreed. My theory is that he is keeping her twin sister prisoner in a secret tower deep in the Black Forest.
05-24-2017 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
https://twitter.com/seanhannity/stat...32779985571845

JFC how do we get this mother****er fired? Poor threatened Seth Rich family.

EDIT: Just saw a similar one from 12 hours ago. Is this spitting in the face of the bereaved typical for Hannity? Or is he just lashing out in a hissyfest no matter who it hurts like his Daddy idol?
I assume this is a rhetorical question, but the answer is target his advertisers, same as O'Reilly.

List of advertisers on Hannity's show: https://www.mediamatters.org/researc...rtisers/216607

If you use any of these products or services, email them, tweet them, tell them you won't be giving them your custom again while they advertise on Hannity, and tell them why. This stuff does actually work.
05-24-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Okay? I guess I'm not seeing the relevance.
The reason I believe it's relevant is because Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump, and the Republican Party are essentially trying to bring back Jim Crow in various ways. Mass incarceration, poll taxes (aka Voter ID laws), racial gerrymandering, ending early voting, for-profit-prisons, revamping the War on Drugs, and destroying the social safety net. Jim Crow was the original system that Hitler copied off of, and now Trump + Sessions are copying off of the same system.
05-24-2017 , 11:13 AM
A fair amount of the non-socialist Bernie Bro crowd(idk what to call these people, they seriously don't seem to really have any political beliefs but they hated Hillary) are amplifying the Rich **** from the "left", including Tim Canova, the guy who tried to primary DWS. That's really ****ing unhealthy.
05-24-2017 , 11:31 AM
NPR brought up the possibility that Trump pardons himself. That is an actual thing that could happen. OMG
05-24-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A fair amount of the non-socialist Bernie Bro crowd(idk what to call these people, they seriously don't seem to really have any political beliefs but they hated Hillary) are amplifying the Rich **** from the "left", including Tim Canova, the guy who tried to primary DWS. That's really ****ing unhealthy.
Decent human beings imo
05-24-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
NPR brought up the possibility that Trump pardons himself. That is an actual thing that could happen. OMG
He also has the ability to wait like 2 or 3 years for the special investigation to materialize, and then get Jeff Sessions to unrecuse himself again and fire Mueller. The optics would be terrible, but aren't they always with this illegitimate ****ing wanna-be presidency?
05-24-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A fair amount of the non-socialist Bernie Bro crowd(idk what to call these people, they seriously don't seem to really have any political beliefs but they hated Hillary) are amplifying the Rich **** from the "left", including Tim Canova, the guy who tried to primary DWS. That's really ****ing unhealthy.
Disappointing. I don't know if Canova is officially a socialist or w/e, but he's not a non-socialist. He's an academic and I believe his main thing is public banking. I'm probably using this expression incorrectly, but the thing that comes to mind here is that he's smelling his own farts or maybe getting high on his supply?
05-24-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Edit: This is why nobody on the Dem team should want Trump impeached/forced to resign prior to the 2018 midterms (unless you are legit scared of him causing the end of hte world which I guess is possible), because if dems can retake the house there is an extremely outside chance that they get the presidency if Pence turns out to be tied up in this as well.

Edit Edit: Although this has an extraordinarily low chance of happenning, the irony of Donald Trump colluding with the Russians to stop the first female president from occurring (a centrist democrat at that), only to lead to President Nancy Pelosi in 2019 would be rich.
I think that reducing the risk of not only the end of the world, nuclear war, etc, but also just being mired in Syria or North Korea or wherever for the next decade is worth getting him out ASAP. Also, I have to imagine that procedurally the Dems could slow down two separate impeachment proceedings enough to have it take 18 months... Keep in mind that even impeachment in the House will require Democratic votes because some of the hard-right Republicans will never go for it. So unless they have Pence with a huge smoking gun, I doubt he's impeachable before the midterms anyway.

To me the risk vs. reward is simply Actual Republican Competence at Passing Bad Laws vs. Reducing Likelihood of Nuclear War/End of the World.

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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A fair amount of the non-socialist Bernie Bro crowd(idk what to call these people, they seriously don't seem to really have any political beliefs but they hated Hillary) are amplifying the Rich **** from the "left", including Tim Canova, the guy who tried to primary DWS. That's really ****ing unhealthy.
I get your point, but I think it's worth pointing out that there are a lot of non-socialist Bernie supporters who are more moderate than the Democratic party on average... some even right of center. I'd fall into the category of moderate Democrat who is pretty far left or FIRMLY moderate-left on a few issues (mainly healthcare, income inequality, Citizens United), and I'm a big fan of Bernie. But I'm not a socialist (I believe it works in some sectors but should not be used in all.) or a conspiracy theorist.

So even though I get your point, I think that it's more productive to describe the left-wing nutjobs in a way that doesn't implicate many of Bernie's wide-ranging supporters who make up a huge chunk of this party going forward.

      
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