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01-30-2017 , 10:56 PM

#3501

Kevin J

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I guess the only question left unanswered at this point is will they use the military to kill protesters like the Chinese did in Tiananmen square?

Hope to see y'all there.

01-30-2017 , 10:58 PM

#3502

synth_floyd

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From a 1990 Playboy interview:

Quote:

You mean firm hand as in China?

When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak ... as being spit on by the rest of the world—

He mentioned that the Soviet Union fell because Gorbachev was too weak in dealing with the protests, et. al.

Things will get a lot worse before they get better.

01-30-2017 , 11:02 PM

#3503

valenzuela

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Originally Posted by Paul D

He certainly won't gain any support he doesnt have over it.

Im not too sure. Most people have mild fascist tendencies. The reason that those views dont get articulated in a political option its because the big business need to keep a liberal facade so they cant finance an explicit candidate. They just push narratives in the civil society insitutions that lead the public to mild fascism ( because otherwise they might become communists or something) but they never embrace it directly. Trump saw all of that and took advantage of it. This is Grasmci 101. ( And Gramsci main works are from the Mussolini era, he knows a thing or two about fascism).

01-30-2017 , 11:04 PM

#3504

GBV

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Any one remember that film High Plains Drifter. The scene where the town almost literally descends into hell reminds me of this.

01-30-2017 , 11:04 PM

#3505

LFS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

From a 1990 Playboy interview:

He mentioned that the Soviet Union fell because Gorbachev was too weak in dealing with the protests, et. al.

Things will get a lot worse before they get better.

Unfortunately, given all they have accepted I believe his supporters will be OK with some protestor blood being spilled. Hope I'm wrong.

01-30-2017 , 11:12 PM

#3506

DuckSauce

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Today seemed like a good day to rewatch v for vendetta.

01-30-2017 , 11:16 PM

#3507

will1530

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Well that's as ridiculous as it was expected.

01-30-2017 , 11:17 PM

#3508

Max Cut

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purge

01-30-2017 , 11:17 PM

#3509

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

US AG won't defend immigration order in court. This is what I said yesterday about lawyers refusing to defend unconstitutional laws.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/s...10070836998144
This is big and Trump is screwed.

Enter Boente. Might want to stop calling scoreboard in a game in which your team hasn't scored a point.

01-30-2017 , 11:18 PM

#3510

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by LFS

Unfortunately, given all they have accepted I believe his supporters will be OK with some protestor blood being spilled. Hope I'm wrong.

I think you're incredibly optimistic. It's like a solid 30-35% of the country that WANTS protester blood. There's a reason why GOP state legislatures are doing bizarre **** like trying to create civil immunity for people who run over protesters blocking a highway.

01-30-2017 , 11:22 PM

#3511

valenzuela

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Originally Posted by LFS

Unfortunately, given all they have accepted I believe his supporters will be OK with some protestor blood being spilled. Hope I'm wrong.

The crux of the fascist narrative is that some elite liberals are too concerned about stuff like human rights endagering decent people in the process.
You are not wrong.

01-30-2017 , 11:23 PM

#3512

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin J

I guess the only question left unanswered at this point is will they use the military to kill protesters like the Chinese did in Tiananmen square?

Hope to see y'all there.

If it comes to that, I theoretically speaking will be there with a gun.

01-30-2017 , 11:26 PM

#3513

microbet

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

purge

Googling Daniel Ragsdale it seems the disgusting reactionary parts of the internet think he's part of the gay mafia.

Quote:

Ragsdale runs around the front office like a drama queen unsupervised, terrorizing all in his path. 75% of his staff are gay.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/50203...for-straights/

01-30-2017 , 11:32 PM

#3514

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by valenzuela

Fascism is also a scary word just like socialism. That's why so many people hate Bernie Sanders. They just dismiss anything he says without listening because they deem him a socialist.

01-30-2017 , 11:35 PM

#3515

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Originally Posted by Heroball

Enter Boente. Might want to stop calling scoreboard in a game in which your team hasn't scored a point.

It's not a game.

01-30-2017 , 11:35 PM

#3516

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We should have never let The Patriot Act get by. It should have led to massive protests. No Democrat should have gotten away with voting for it. There's more and more government power and now look who yields it. If we ever get the chance again all of that needs to be beaten back relentlessly w/o compromise.

01-30-2017 , 11:36 PM

#3517

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

Yes, it's almost like simplicitus et. al are waking from a 18 month slumber and wondering why Trump isn't losing traction, and the GOP rank and file aren't calling for his head.

Couple things:
1. I prefer people that weren't captured.
2. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

This is America. Don't let a few thousand young coastal elites get your eye off the ball. Pretty much every Trump voter and lots of non-voters do not give one **** about middle-eastern people detained for no/scant reason.

01-30-2017 , 11:38 PM

#3518

Heroball

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Originally Posted by markksman

It's not a game.

Right.

It's a metaphor.

01-30-2017 , 11:38 PM

#3519

markksman

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What happened to ACA repeal and replace? I feel like they gave up on that.

01-30-2017 , 11:39 PM

#3520

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Originally Posted by RV Life

Fascism is also a scary word just like socialism. That's why so many people hate Bernie Sanders. They just dismiss anything he says without listening because they deem him a socialist.

35% of Americans and 43% of those under 30 have a favorable opinion of socialism.

I guess it's possible that 35% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Fascism. No one seems to have polled it.

01-30-2017 , 11:40 PM

#3521

BMOL33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

What happened to ACA repeal and replace? I feel like they gave up on that.

They'll most likely remove the penalty and provide some incentive for more carriers to join the program in more states creating competition. that should be enough to fix many problems.

01-30-2017 , 11:41 PM

#3522

iron81

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Originally Posted by markksman

What happened to ACA repeal and replace? I feel like they gave up on that.

Congress is handling that because they're not working on imprachment. They're not actively voting this week because they don't know what they want to vote on.

01-30-2017 , 11:41 PM

#3523

fxwacgesvrhdtf

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Originally Posted by BMOL33

They'll most likely remove the penalty and provide some incentive for more carriers to join the program in more states creating competition. that should be enough to fix many problems.

Lol.

01-30-2017 , 11:42 PM

#3524

Kirbynator

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Originally Posted by markksman

What happened to ACA repeal and replace? I feel like they gave up on that.

so far theyve basically said they dont know what to do, doesnt help that theres literally no one competent on their team with any concrete ideas

01-30-2017 , 11:43 PM

#3525

Paul D

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Originally Posted by Heroball

GOP members will call for heads if their own heads are at risk. The protests aren't just happening in blue states. If enough pressure mounts McCain won't be the only one who is pissed.

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