how is it possible that ISIS is claiming responsibility for this attack? i was promised they would be annihilated within 30 days of Trump becoming president.

the impeachment thing is going to rely alot on who controls the house and what support trump has in the electorate. its going to be sandbagged if republicans think its unfavorable to their jobs to take him down.

look at chaffetz who is running away now because he wants no part of this.

whenever I hear R's talking about Trump and the things that have happened, they are so intellectually dishonest. When Speaker Ryan at the helm, they just aren't going to impeach him. Just wont happen.

The talk about losers is Trump revealing himself. He doesn't care if people call him evil. he doesn't want people to see his bad tax returns, how much money he owes people, to talk about how many times he's gone bankrupt or about how his Trump steaks and University are for losers. Isis caring about him calling them losers is ridiculous.

If people really want to get under Trump's skin they should probably talk about how the things he does might be okay for Queens but they're not really up to Manhattan standards.

Trump really is a perfectly tuned gererator of awful ideas. Today's terrible plan is to sell half the strategic oil reserve at a time of global glut and historically low prices. This guy is the single dumbest person to ever walk the earth.

I always like calling them 'criminals' (or related terms).

Um, that's not really his plan. It's to sell it over the next decade, and there are a number of good reasons to do it. There are a number of good reasons to not do it, too. This is a standard mundane politician idea, no where near the level of awful.

Yea I'm sure calling them losers is going to have a real effect on how terrorists view themselves and how the rest of the world in general views them. Words have meaning you know. For example, the rise of ISIS is in no small part attributable to Obamas refusal to say Radical Islamic Terrorism. Now that President Best Words is in office, and uses the phrase Radical Islamic Terrorism (except for when he's in majority Muslim countries of course) we've seen significant gains in the war on terror already.

I bet those ISIS guys are going to be so SHOOK by being called losers. Just like how he won the election by trolling those Libtards and making their tears flow, and how normal non racist conservatives decided to vote Trump because they were called mean names by liberals. Gotta really choose your words carefully on these things.

+1

The criminals will be pursued, but we're not okay with a lot of collateral damage. For example, killing their 8 year old children is not part of the plan.

I'm surprised people like Trump calling the terrorists losers. Sounds like something a kid says about a bully.

Trump's proposed budget eliminates a revenue sharing agreement with states bordering the Gulf of Mexico that provides 35% of offshore revenues from drilling in federal waters back to those states in order to compensate them for using onshore public infrastructure. In Louisiana alone this was supposed to total $140 million this year, and by law that money has to go directly to coastal restoration.

To be fair, Obama proposed the same thing in 2015, but we actually had a senior Democratic senator at the time who opposed it and ultimately got the agreement to stand. Now we have two generic Republican bozos with no pull in Congress whatsoever who are going to be forced to come out against that or be eaten alive, but we'll see if they can actually say anything against a Trump idea.

Does it bother anyone else when Trump refers to children as beautiful? He has done it multiple times. Something about it is really off putting and seems out of taste. Especially considering the things we hear about him going into the Miss Teen USA locker room, the alleged sex trafficker airplane dude and the weird stuff he has said about his daughter.

yea its incredibly rapey sounding and it's almost certain that he molested ivanka when she was younger

Unless I missed something the quote is "beautiful innocent people" and "innocent children."

Obviously Trump is WOAT, but on a totally base level I really liked dismissively calling them losers. Not to say it isn't worth exploring causes of hopelessness, radicalism, whatever, but at the end of the day the worst possible thing to do is attach any level of honor or courage to killing innocent people. Simply dismissing them as insignificant losers is a solid approach.

People have said that all Trump cares about is winning or losing, that's it. You do one or the other and everything has to be put in a win or lose box somehow, so this fits with that mindset.

I wouldn't think anything of it if he hadn't talked about ten year olds he'd date, walked in on naked 15 year olds and can't shut up about how hot he is for his daughter.

So the whole support the troops but not the war approach doesn't work and peace activists have to go back to calling soldiers baby killers?

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To Trump, wealth and fame are *the* measures. He's doing his best to rep them using debt and infamy, cloaked in lies.

As for "losers", he calls pretty much everyone he doesn't like a loser.

Regarding 'losers' rhetoric:

I think it's similar to how we talk about mass shooters. These tend to be angry isolated young men who fantasize about how when they get their revenge on the world, then they'll finally have made their mark, everyone will remember their name. Bow before me, pathetic normies, because I am the super cool angel of death in my shades and trenchcoat. When we build them up as the personification of evil, the incomprehensible monster we can't understand and are deathly afraid of, we play into this power fantasy. In recent years people seem to have realised this is counterproductive, and most responsible outlets try not to plaster the killer's name and picture everywhere and make them the centre of the story, instead focusing on victims, emergency services, helpers. The shooter should be a footnote, a pathetic idiot who went full ****** because he had no friends and couldn't get laid.

I think the same should follow for terrorists, since they tend to be a similar profile. Don't glorify them, don't play their game by making them into monsters. It's (probably) just some disaffected early 20s NEET loser whose life was so pathetic he decided blowing himself up and taking 20 kids with him because a youtube video told him to was a really great idea. These people *are* losers. The dude should be remembered as a complete ****** and life failure, not a monster, not a soldier in the army of Allah or any other bull****.

I think the way we talk about these things in public discourse does actually make a difference.

I think the best anti-terror message is to show innocent children victims. There are actually very few people in the world who want to be any part of that. It's why you will never see pictures of the innocent children who are victims of either our actions or the actions of allies.

regarding losers and Trump:


to be honest, they set out to kill people and they killed people

thats pretty much the opposite of losing if you are in is is

Trump's budget is 100% DOA just like all of Obama's just so we are clear. All of this is a negotiation where they will get very little.

From everything I've read, 99% of the Muslim world absolutely hates ISIS. This isn't like Al Quaeda where they have some Robin Hood-like popularity in backwater areas.

So all your suggestion would do IMO is rile up Muslim haters around the world.

FWIW - I've taken some heat for bringing up what Trump would say in the Manchester thread. But this is my big fear as I've stated since Trump got elected - that his administration would use terrorism (which we all knew wasn't going to end the moment he got elected) to further an agenda of subverting US democracy.

So it wasn't some snarky comment with no point. I'm genuinely terrified of what's going to happen in the US when/if something like this or worse happens.