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05-22-2017 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
disastrous CBO scoring should come out tomorrow tho

something that actually moves the needle
Its gotta be worse than the first score, right?
05-22-2017 , 11:30 PM
lol
05-22-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Its gotta be worse than the first score, right?
everyone I've asked told me so.

Would need some weiiiird ****/collusion for them to say its better than the one before.
05-22-2017 , 11:32 PM
05-22-2017 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kre8tive
What an idiot. By saying he didn't say Isreal in his meeting with the Ruskis, he's just confirming that is where the source originated. Imbecile.

Exactly what I just thought. I had heard on Democracy Now that the source might have been Jordan. Now we know: definitely Israel.
05-22-2017 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
If you are a witness to a crime, please, for the love of god, talk to the police!
If you witness a crime, put a stop to it! (unless it's one of those things which shouldn't be illegal)
05-22-2017 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
disastrous CBO scoring should come out tomorrow tho

something that actually moves the needle
Day after tomorrow, Wednesday the 24th, is what I've seen.
05-22-2017 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo

So empowering!
05-22-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
everyone I've asked told me so.

Would need some weiiiird ****/collusion for them to say its better than the one before.
Yeah thats what I figured. Given the changes made got the freedom caucus on board, they can't do anything but make even more people lose health care.
05-22-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Ivanka is hands down the worst thing to happen to feminism in years.

She has absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and our culture is sick to assert that just because a woman is in a position like she is in, she is a feminist. How does the presidents daughter magically become some sort of feminist hero, just because she is the presidents daughter? It makes no sense, she's no feminist. A feminist wouldn't be found anywhere near that vile man. She works for him. Not a very strong woman if you ask me, and not an advocate for women's rights and feminism.
05-22-2017 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Not only that stupid, but then there's this stupid

Man what a dumb ass. Seriously how do people think he is smart. Luckbox is all.
05-23-2017 , 12:25 AM
He can't help but make things worse, every time he opens his mouth or tweets. Please don't make them silence Trump (if they can). We need his words - "the best words" - to speed up his downfall.
05-23-2017 , 12:34 AM
You know, I'm really surprised that nobody has tried to claim 4D chess over Russia. At least I've never heard it yet. Something about how Trump has been running his own secret agent spy operation to gain Putin's confidence, without the help of the "corrupt" intelligence community deep state, which can't be trusted due to leaks.

Perhaps he's saving that for his final defense?
05-23-2017 , 12:38 AM
They've clearly taken away Trump's tweetin' phone on this trip. Which means he will probably rise 5-10 points in the polls just from that alone.
05-23-2017 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
You know, I'm really surprised that nobody has tried to claim 4D chess over Russia. At least I've never heard it yet. Something about how Trump has been running his own secret agent spy operation to gain Putin's confidence, without the help of the "corrupt" intelligence community deep state, which can't be trusted due to leaks.

Perhaps he's saving that for his final defense?
Something like he is playing the dult in front of the camera but is some grand master behind it. I could at least respect the evil genius of that.

Thing is with how idiotic he seems to be im not sure the Russian stuff connects to him in any real collusion (accept unwitting dupe) type way. He is not smart enough and Putin is to smart to go there knowing trump is a fool. His underlings are another story.
05-23-2017 , 01:11 AM
No one talking about this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.2d6623e51988

Basically trump asked nsa and nsi directors to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion in the election. Both denied his requests and documented the meetings in memos.

So trump asked them to make false statements regarding an ongoing investigation. So the obstruction of justice case just got way stronger.

Last edited by StimAbuser; 05-23-2017 at 01:30 AM.
05-23-2017 , 01:12 AM
oops cbo is wednesday my bad
05-23-2017 , 01:22 AM
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Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross praised President Trump for a trip to Saudi Arabia that was so successful it didn't draw a single protester.
One problem: Protests are illegal in Saudi Arabia.
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05-23-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
No one talking about this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.2d6623e51988

Basically trump asked nsa and nsi directors to publicly deny the existence of any evidence of collusion in the election. Both denied his requests and documented the meetings in memos.

So trump asked them to make false statements into an ongoing investigation. So the obstruction of justice case just got way stronger.

This is great!
05-23-2017 , 01:30 AM
is the CBO really nonpartisan and if so how in the hell is that achieved? sorry, v ignorant about CBO beyond very surface level of what it does and that's from Congress which makes me supah skeptical but you guise seem v confident in it's findings

Edit: just read the wiki. seems to be legit, independently done. This is from the Reception section of it on wiki for anybody else lurking who was also like wot
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Whereas politicians on both sides of the aisle have criticized the CBO when its estimates have been politically inconvenient,[11][5] economists and other academics overwhelmingly reject that the CBO is partisan or that it fails to produce credible forecasts.

A March 2017 survey of leading economists shows a consensus behind the notion that "adjusting for legal restrictions on what the CBO can assume about future legislation and events, the CBO has historically issued credible forecasts of the effects of both Democratic and Republican legislative proposals."[2] According to MIT economist David Autor, the "CBO has a good track record with a very difficult assignment. It errs, but not systematically or with partisan intent."[2] According to Yale economist Christopher Udry, "There is no credible evidence of partisan bias."[2] Economist Walter E. Williams wrote in 1998 that the CBO was well-regarded for its "honest numbers" on fiscal and economic matters.[4] According to the Los Angeles Times, "the CBO’s analyses and forecasting are regarded as good or better than others doing similar work... economists say that the CBO’s economic projections generally compare favorably against other outfits, and its long-term budget estimates have been fairly accurate."[11]

According to George Washington University political scientist Sarah Binder, the CBO "has emerged over its history as a neutral analyst of congressional budgets and cost estimates for proposed legislation."[5] The agency has "a nonpartisan staff culture".[5]

Historically, the House Budget Committee and Senate Budget Committee have insulated the CBO from external pressures and attempts to politicize or weaken the office.[4]
I'm v happy this exists. Kind of surprised Congress would have enacted a strong nonpartisan entity for budgetary analysis - makes too much sense for those hacks!
05-23-2017 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
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I would say the protests will be when Trump returns home, but probably not because Saudi Arabia will probably have G-men here to beat down the protestors.
05-23-2017 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
Thursday is Montana special election. If Quist can pull the upset we might see the rats jumping off the trump train. Most likely he comes up short and we have to wait until Georgia, but it's much closer than expected again.
5dimes had quist at >+400 like two weeks ago, and aorn he's +135. hopefully the cbo trashes the "healthcare" bill and releases the score before the election.
05-23-2017 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert

They both seem to be sponsors of terrorism, though.
"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter." The West is guilty of this too
05-23-2017 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
She has absolutely nothing to do with feminism, and our culture is sick to assert that just because a woman is in a position like she is in, she is a feminist. How does the presidents daughter magically become some sort of feminist hero, just because she is the presidents daughter? It makes no sense, she's no feminist. A feminist wouldn't be found anywhere near that vile man. She works for him. Not a very strong woman if you ask me, and not an advocate for women's rights and feminism.
"Culture" is not asserting that she's a feminist, she's been using faux feminism for years as part of her marketing brand. The only difference is that now she gets to sit on panels with actual accomplished women like Merkel, instead of promoting "feminism" on the home shopping network.
05-23-2017 , 07:01 AM
As also happens in social justice and other social movements designed to effect political change, like feminism, often times advocates will modify or buffer their messages and goals to reach and appeal to the broadest possible audience. So there's feminism, the revolutionary social movement and then there's feminism, the one that ostensibly welcomes Ivanka Trump into the movement, which is just like some form of "it's OK for women to be ambitious" or something.

So I wouldn't say culture is asserting Ivanka Trump is a feminist so much as elements of the movement became mainstream, partly as a conscious strategy of some feminists. Inevitably the term could be applied broadly to frankly anyone.

      
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