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05-22-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Ah. Not being a political junkie that never would've occurred to me. It especially wouldn't have occurred to me because I try very hard not to dwell on the past. But in this case, it was relevant. President Clinton pushed for 3 strikes. My point was that democrats in the past, have not exactly been angels when it comes to both prosecuting and incarcerating large portions of our population (much of it minority youths). To deny this is simply delusional. Until this election, I found out that I was delusional about democrats myself.
Democrats have been getting a lot better on this issue. Obama pardoned Chelsea freaking Manning for instance. It's terrible for you to refuse to give them any credit and continue with the false equivalency nonsense.
05-22-2017 , 04:39 PM
lul

a new onion site?
05-22-2017 , 04:40 PM
yeah they're so good the onion bought them
05-22-2017 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
The most common example of it being used by an innocent person would be someone not remembering exactly when whatever they're being questioned about happened, so instead of risking perjuring themselves guessing the date they'd plead the 5th.

This is also why you end up with people replying just "I don't recall" for hours of testimony.
This is completely wrong. First, you get hours of "I don't recall" testimony in large part because witnesses are told not to guess or speculate and because it often is hard to remember with certainty the details of events that happened months or years in the past. It has nothing to do with concerns about perjury. Second, you can't invoke the Fifth solely because of a concern that your own testimony would be perjurious. That's not a proper basis. You can't invoke the Fifth because of concerns that you will be criminally liable for conduct (perjury) that you have not yet engaged in. Third, your chances of being charged with perjury because you honestly misremembered a date or time are as close to 0% as you can get. Perjury requires intent, not just falsity. People make factual errors in their testimony all the time. Fourth, it's entirely reasonable to take the Fifth if you believe that your conduct should not subject you to criminal liability, but you are less than 100% certain that a prosecutor or jury would see it the same way. Not all conduct is clearly criminal or not criminal.

Last edited by Rococo; 05-22-2017 at 04:56 PM.
05-22-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Wtf is up with British TV?

Can't beat a bit of bully.
05-22-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Since it's a slow day I want to announce my new Costa Rican Screamo band THE SHEP SMITHS BUTTHOLE EXPERIENCE. We are currently auditioning for conga players.
It's coming up on 5pm EST.

Just out of curiosity, what does the "conga" player actually do in this band?
05-22-2017 , 05:04 PM
Trump (privately): how can they know it was isreal if i never SAID isreal??? wtf it makes zero sense
05-22-2017 , 05:05 PM
Two obvious times where truthful testimony from an innocent person would do him more harm than good:

1. He would have to admit to small crime while he is explaining why he didn't commit the major crime. ("I couldn't have robbed the bank because I was at my friend's house doing drugs"). If he is going to win his case anyway he might invoke the 5th.

2. The truth will increase the chances of an incorrect guilty verdict. ("Yes it was me who had been secretly sending Mary love letters but I didn't kill her")

Plus of course a lot of lawyers will recommend invoking the fifth simply because they see no upside to testifying even if there isn't an obvious downside. Theoretically that invocation is not supposed to influence a verdict. I'm guessing it probably does (as it actually should, mathematically speaking) but probably only slightly.
05-22-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Ok, but there are advantages to avoiding the arrest, even if it's a bad gamble compared to the risk of conviction.
You should never talk to the cops, period. They are not your friends. Your only friend is your lawyer. Ask if you are being detained. If they say yes, lawyer up. If you say something to the cop and a lawyer is not present, the judge is taking the cop's word over yours.

There's a reason why cops say "Do you know why I pulled you over?" when you are speeding. It's because they want you to say "Yes, officer. I was speeding and didn't realize it. I'm sorry." It's not because they are concerned you didn't know you were speeding. They want you to admit you knew you were speeding.

BTW- It's not a matter of distrusting the police. 99% of them do a great job. It's about covering your own ass.
05-22-2017 , 05:16 PM
What will he be touching at the Vatican?



https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/...23345320087553
05-22-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Two obvious times where truthful testimony from an innocent person would do him more harm than good:

1. He would have to admit to small crime while he is explaining why he didn't commit the major crime. ("I couldn't have robbed the bank because I was at my friend's house doing drugs"). If he is going to win his case anyway he might invoke the 5th.

2. The truth will increase the chances of an incorrect guilty verdict. ("Yes it was me who had been secretly sending Mary love letters but I didn't kill her")

Plus of course a lot of lawyers will recommend invoking the fifth simply because they see no upside to testifying even if there isn't an obvious downside. Theoretically that invocation is not supposed to influence a verdict. I'm guessing it probably does (as it actually should, mathematically speaking) but probably only slightly.
1. Nope, this is not the way things like that work.

2. This is the real reason.
05-22-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Has any other president or SoS held a press conference without American press?
Hugo Chavez?
05-22-2017 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
If anyone wants to see how the culture in Iran is changing watch Anthony Bourdain's CNN show when he travels to Iran. It's pretty eye opening actually. I was very surprised.
Yeah Iran is the country most poised for fundamental change due to their extremely high percentage of young citizens who lean pro-western. It's one of the reasons why I think the US has to walk an extremely delicate line when it comes to Iran.
05-22-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
It's coming up on 5pm EST.

Just out of curiosity, what does the "conga" player actually do in this band?
It's the guy who licks the nut.
05-22-2017 , 05:56 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...38364187602944

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Trump to propose big cuts to safety net in new budget, slashing Medicaid and opening door to other limits
For Medicaid, the state-federal program that provides health care to low-income Americans, Trump’s budget plan would follow through on a bill passed by House Republicans to cut more than $800 billion over 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that this could cut off Medicaid benefits for about 10 million people over the next decade.
05-22-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22


Iran must want war look at how close they put their country to all our military bases :B
Who makes a map with blue countries and the blue is the same as the blue for water? THERE ARE OTHER HUES
05-22-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
This is false. A dismissed case (or acquittal) will be purged from your NCIC interstate criminal history (rap sheet). Could still possibly be seen I suppose by the local jurisdiction you are arrested in or by local police agencies that might share records, but that is it.
It varies by state and you may be able to get it expunged, but an arrest creates a lot of public records both at the police agency and through the courts, and all of those things can negatively impact you down the line.
05-22-2017 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Democrats have been getting a lot better on this issue. Obama pardoned Chelsea freaking Manning for instance. It's terrible for you to refuse to give them any credit and continue with the false equivalency nonsense.
My bad. He must've ran fresh out of scruples when it came time for Snowden.
05-22-2017 , 06:08 PM
Never talk to the police.

Testifying at trial will depend on your defense, but the #1 reason your lawyer will tell you that you should testify at trial is because your dumb ass talked to the police and said something that implied you did something wrong, and now the jury needs to hear your explanation for that.

Your actual guilt or innocence is mostly irrelevant to this calculus.
05-22-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22


Iran must want war look at how close they put their country to all our military bases :B
The US has a military base in Socotra? What?
05-22-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
My bad. He must've ran fresh out of scruples when it came time for Snowden.
Again, Lestat was in ****ing TEARS over the unfair treatment the media gave Joe ****ing Paterno and Donald Sterling. His moral purity test goes one way and one way only.
05-22-2017 , 06:14 PM
This legal sideline about the 5th and criminal records is really interesting but I'd be curious which posters have actual legal experience. There seem to be a lot of disagreement.
05-22-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Ok, but there are advantages to avoiding the arrest, even if it's a bad gamble compared to the risk of conviction.
There are obvious exceptions to the rule. Like if you're breaking into your own house bc you locked yourself out, it's probably best to explain that to the cops rather than demand a lawyer.
05-22-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
My bad. He must've ran fresh out of scruples when it came time for Snowden.
Manning faced trial and was sentenced, Snowden fled to Russia.

      
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