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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-22-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
The reason you're frustrated is because there is no smoking gun, which is because Trump isn't running around deliberately breaking laws. In the past two weeks we saw an FBI director get fired, which both parties wanted gone for being bad at his job. (Just ask the other posters on this forum if they think he was doing a good job in October 2016) We saw a special counsel get hired which will consolidate all the other investigations into one, and make it a fact based investigation, which is a good thing for Trump. The reason it took so long to appoint him was that there still is no solid evidence that any significant crime by an American was committed and we generally don't appoint special counsels to investigate conspiracy theories. Russia committed crimes but we generally don't appoint special counsels to investigate foreign criminals.

Its frustrating when you want to get someone so badly that you have to distort reality and hope for him to be a criminal when there is no factual evidence to think he is one. You went so far as to say last week was the most scandalous week in American political history, and yet we wait patiently for the first evidence of real law breaking while the media thrives on innuendo to keep the story going.

I feel your frustration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...gistration_Act

Trump's former campaign manager and his original National Security Adviser is a pretty interesting definition of "No American"
05-22-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
He's just saying you don't need to reiterate every single post that America sucks. We got that point 1000 posts ago.
Fair enough.

I think I touched a patriotism nerve which I understand.

My point, which I guess I made poorly in frustration, is that like Oliver, I am losing hope in a resolution that is good for America or the world.

Trump is a disease to which your system just does not have effective antibodies. Worse still, like AIDS, this disease attacks the very infrastructure designed to prevent further infection.

Damn Oliver set me off.
05-22-2017 , 10:43 AM
Itt, to a trumpkin, a special counsel being appointment to investigate the administration only 4 months into their first term equates to "it took so long to appoint him".

This is the world of the trumpkin.
05-22-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Fair enough.

I think I touched a patriotism nerve which I understand.

My point, which I guess I made poorly in frustration, is that like Oliver, I am losing hope in a resolution that is good for America or the world.

Trump is a disease to which your system just does not have effective antibodies. Worse still, like AIDS, this disease attacks the very infrastructure designed to prevent further infection.

Damn Oliver set me off.
I'm a USA 100% AMERICAN born n raised blah blah and I'm not bothered in the least by noting the country is rotted to the core but I do agree with others that breathlessly waiting for scandals to flush out the rot is almost surely bound to leave you frustrated and wanting.

Donald Trump is the manifestation of deep, systemic problems but even if he is magically taken down, America won't be manifestly better without much broader changes. Trump isn't the disease like AIDS is. Trump is Kaposi's sarcoma, the tumors and malignancies that appear when the immune system is non-functional and white-blood cell counts are like under 200 or whatever.
05-22-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I'm a USA 100% AMERICAN born n raised blah blah and I'm not bothered in the least by noting the country is rotted to the core but I do agree with others that breathlessly waiting for scandals to flush out the rot is almost surely bound to leave you frustrated and wanting.

Donald Trump is the manifestation of deep, systemic problems but even if he is magically taken down, America won't be manifestly better without much broader changes. Trump isn't the disease like AIDS is. Trump is Kaposi's sarcoma, the tumors and malignancies that appear when the immune system is non-functional and white-blood cell counts are like under 200 or whatever.
Totally agree. That is a much better analogy but doesn't exactly cheer me up.
05-22-2017 , 10:50 AM
I don't think the Klingons were trying to assassinate Riker, they were just trolling him.
05-22-2017 , 10:52 AM
What do I do, as a non-American, with no ability to influence your system directly? As I see it, people like me have two options; give up or do something.

I confess I started today leaning towards the former but would far prefer the latter. I do not however have a good idea on how to accomplish it.

I am actively involved in politics at home and I think part of my frustration is that, while the events in America directly effect the world, we have little to no ability to shape them.
05-22-2017 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Itt, to a trumpkin, a special counsel being appointment to investigate the administration only 4 months into their first term equates to "it took so long to appoint him".

This is the world of the trumpkin.
For comparative purposes here is the wapo scandal timeline for Bill's first year in office.

January 1993
Clinton's first term as president begins.

May 1993
White House fires seven employees in the travel office, possibly to make room for Clinton friends. An FBI investigation of the office ensues, allegedly opened under pressure from the White House to justify the firings.

June 1993
Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster files three years of delinquent Whitewater corporate tax returns.

July 1993
Foster is found dead in a Washington area park. Police rule the death a suicide. Federal investigators are not allowed access to Foster's office immediately after the discovery, but White House aides enter Foster's office shortly after his death, giving rise to speculation that files were removed from his office.

September 1993
First of three meetings in which Treasury Department officials tip off Clinton aides about the progress of the RTC investigation.

October 1993
RTC's criminal referral is rejected by Paula Casey, U.S. attorney in Little Rock and former law student of Bill Clinton.

December 1993
The White House agrees to turn over Whitewater documents to the Justice Department, which had been preparing to subpoena them. These documents include files found in Foster's office.

January 1994
Attorney General Janet Reno names New York lawyer and former U.S. attorney Robert B. Fiske Jr. as special counsel to investigate the Clintons' involvement in Whitewater. Fiske announces he will also explore a potential link between Foster's suicide and his intimate knowledge of the developing Whitewater scandal.
05-22-2017 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


LOOOL
so is this real or not,Im not the only one wondering.
Inb4heyIalreadypostedaboutafakepost3daysago.
Stop posting fake tweets or quotes,just stop.

ps:and dont tell me if its fake that it was obvious,obvious as the dude take 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else 1?
05-22-2017 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
What do I do, as a non-American, with no ability to influence your system directly? As I see it, people like me have two options; give up or do something.

I confess I started today leaning towards the former but would far prefer the latter. I do not however have a good idea on how to accomplish it.

I am actively involved in politics at home and I think part of my frustration is that, while the events in America directly effect the world, we have little to no ability to shape them.
Many Americans feel this way too.
05-22-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I am actively involved in politics at home and I think part of my frustration is that, while the events in America directly effect the world, we have little to no ability to shape them.
Talk to someone in Russia, they seem to have solved that problem.
05-22-2017 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
No that's not the problem. The problem is that we are a very long way away from even having a chance of getting rid of Trump. And even if Democrats win the House in 2018, most likely 67 Senators will NEVER vote to remove Trump from office. We need to get used to fighting these policies at the state and local level. Thinking that Trump will be impeached with Paul Ryan as Speaker is wildly unrealistic.
If a smoking gun comes up they may have no choice but to impeach him.

I actually think the best thing that could happen is really for the GOP controlled House and Senate to drag their feet on the investigations. The more unanswered questions and uncertainty there is out there over what really happened, the more the scandals will continue to dominate the headlines over the next two years. If that happens and it does lead to the Dems retaking the house, then the endless series of investigations and testimonies that they can push for once they have control of the Oversight Committee will be enough to hopefully drown out the right wing media machine for the 2020 election and get the white house back.
05-22-2017 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
What do I do, as a non-American, with no ability to influence your system directly?

It's pretty clear non-Americans can have the ability to influence our system directly.
05-22-2017 , 11:01 AM
CNN saying Mike Flynn is invoking the 5th with the Senate Intel Committee's subpoena request for records. I thought this was news from the other day, but they're saying it's new. Maybe it was a different subpoena?

"Stay strong" buddy!
05-22-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
If a smoking gun comes up they may have no choice but to impeach him.

I actually think the best thing that could happen is really for the GOP controlled House and Senate to drag their feet on the investigations. The more unanswered questions and uncertainty there is out there over what really happened, the more the scandals will continue to dominate the headlines over the next two years. If that happens and it does lead to the Dems retaking the house, then the endless series of investigations and testimonies that they can push for once they have control of the Oversight Committee will be enough to hopefully drown out the right wing media machine for the 2020 election and get the white house back.
Congress can defer to the special counsel and not act so as not to interfere with him. We are all at the mercy of what the special counsel chooses to release to us.
05-22-2017 , 11:05 AM
Could this be related to THE ORB OF POWER????


https://twitter.com/New_Narrative/st...68909063061504
05-22-2017 , 11:08 AM
Re: "Not everything Trump does is bad. Why don't you give him credit for his accomplishments?"

It seems like legit criticism of a "Trump hater" on the surface, however...

When is the last time he took a vanilla action? Trump is a unique individual. Whatever "legislation" he passes or deal he makes as president has the following format:

- Lots of people in groups he hates get hurt or die.
- Some of his supporters benefit.
- Trump & his family make out better than any other individual.
- Revenge is flaunted.
- Authority is flaunted.
- The small amount of good is bragged about and deceitfully posited as the main intent.
- Negatives and crimes are not only ignored and lied about, but the entire administration often goes to the end of the earth to protect the lies.
- In the face of resistance by the masses or rejection by courts, he discredits anyone and everyone who defends against the destructive nature of the action (much of it self defense), and when necessary, he will relentlessly try to railroad several similar versions through until he gets his baby-ass way.

So, why don't I give him credit for the "good"? Simply put, how can ANYONE think his intent deserves it?
05-22-2017 , 11:15 AM
Trump volunteered this out of context statement to the press - - "I never mentioned the name or the word 'Israel'" - - at the meeting with Netanyahu just now.

EDIT: Obviously taking about the Lavrov meeting and his intel leak. The best he can do in his first statement to the media in days is to deny something nobody claimed he said? Weak sauce. He's got no defenses left.

Last edited by Our House; 05-22-2017 at 11:22 AM.
05-22-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I'm frustrated as hell. You aren't rep?
of course i'm frustrated and as an actual murican, i guarantee i'm way more frustrated than you are. i do not, however, reduce myself to a state of complete despair. i've said it numerous times itt already, it's not productive for people to sit around repeating these defeatist "WAAF" memes and if you can't see that it has a real impact on the resistance movement then you're just a goddamned idiot.

if everyone on our side just throws their arms up into the air like that resigned japanese smiley face thing, then how the **** are we going to take our country back, and do we even deserve to take it back in the first place? **** out of here with that bull**** son- your defeatism is basically a form of right wing propaganda, and sadly you spread it on your own volition. well **** you
05-22-2017 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Fair enough.

I think I touched a patriotism nerve which I understand.

My point, which I guess I made poorly in frustration, is that like Oliver, I am losing hope in a resolution that is good for America or the world.

Trump is a disease to which your system just does not have effective antibodies. Worse still, like AIDS, this disease attacks the very infrastructure designed to prevent further infection.

Damn Oliver set me off.
lol you consdescending ****, it's not about that AT ALL
05-22-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
CNN saying Mike Flynn is invoking the 5th with the Senate Intel Committee's subpoena request for records. I thought this was news from the other day, but they're saying it's new. Maybe it was a different subpoena?

"Stay strong" buddy!
This is how he won't get in trouble for refusing to comply with the subpoena, the earlier reports were just that he wasn't complying and people were like wtf you can't just say "nah". So now it's clear that he's invoking the 5th as to why he's not complying.
05-22-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
of course i'm frustrated and as an actual murican, i guarantee i'm way more frustrated than you are. i do not, however, reduce myself to a state of complete despair. i've said it numerous times itt already, it's not productive for people to sit around repeating these defeatist "WAAF" memes and if you can't see that it has a real impact on the resistance movement then you're just a goddamned idiot.

if everyone on our side just throws their arms up into the air like that resigned japanese smiley face thing, then how the **** are we going to take our country back, and do we even deserve to take it back in the first place? **** out of here with that bull**** son
I'd also note there's a huge difference between disengaging with Trump and throwing up your hands at the pervasive failure of the Republican Congress or the media or Democrats or whoever to effectively neuter and remove Trump...and doing nothing at all. Those are two different things. I think there's potentially a whole lotta ****ing wisdom disengaging with the Trump circus, the perpetual motion machine of his scandals, his clownshow antics on twitter, the feckless GOP, etc. Might be a great play to do that.

It's frankly a child-like mentality to assume if we can't wrench Trump from office then the political system is hopelessly broken and we all just quit. There's a perfectly reasonable, coherent universe where high levels of civic participation would be extremely valuable AND Trump remains President.

Lots of people have had to suffer through bad leadership, through toxic decisions, collective indifference, abuse and injustice. Many worked to achieve the best outcomes available to them anyway.
05-22-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
re: dog whisperer and driving high

i got pulled over one night leaving a skate park and the cop was one of those "drug recognition experts" (in NC). he searched my car, found nothing, then took me down to the goddamn hospital for a blood test before throwing me in a holding cell all night. they charged me with DUI (for marijuana) and released me, without having found anything on me and without having a result from the drug test back yet. i pled not guilty and my lawyer got it dismissed on the grounds that 1) the protocol for the "expert" detection status was super weak and should be discredited and 2) moving eye tests, which he based his premise of me being high on, are actually inadmissable in court as evidence.

we had to actually go to trial and fight it in court tho
DRE is the biggest crock of ****. If you get a good lawyer, you can get the whole thing tossed out at preliminary stages since DRE, despite having the word "expert" in the title, are not actually experts lol. Sounds like you had a good attorney.

I'm glad you got off the hook for that one, Rep.
05-22-2017 , 11:44 AM
Problem is not everybody can afford a good attorney. And they are actively trying to target people who they think will get screwed by this.
05-22-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
CNN saying Mike Flynn is invoking the fif with the Senate Intel Committee's subpoena request for records. I thought this was news from the other day, but they're saying it's new. Maybe it was a different subpoena?

"Stay strong" buddy!
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