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01-30-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
That's the narrative sold by Hillary supporters and the media in the primary. At every rally Bernie talked about social justice extensively.
Right, I'm telling val that that's why they won't back him.
01-30-2017 , 09:28 PM
the donald has the pro-"extreme vetting" % at 65 right now with everyone saying IM SURPRISED ITS NOT EVEN HIGHER

"IM SURE ITS HIGHER, #SILENTMAJORITY"

lol
01-30-2017 , 09:32 PM
I just saw a CBP recruitment ad, which I think is a first since the agency was renamed.
01-30-2017 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
I remain entirely skeptical of that twitter account. But Trump's butler often used muzzies as an epithet.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/politi...ama/index.html
Just real briefly, beyond the odd slur, to a racist Muslim is the prime identity, Canadian is the adjective.

The bizarre linguistics person is just the newest version of the Game Theory guy, come on with this FSB bull****, it's just some rando trolling for attention, like ~all of the other "rogue" government accounts.

Actual rogue employees do **** like this:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/...e-office-here/
01-30-2017 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
That's false equivalency. The actual, real world influence of the Kochs' money >>>>>>> Soros' money, it is much more hidden, and much more disingenuously spent.
Cite for this confident claim? That is a lot of >>>'s!
01-30-2017 , 09:37 PM
http://time.com/money/4639544/trump-...et-budget-cut/

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Some of President Donald Trump's planned budget cuts appear to be targeted more at undercutting Democratic priorities than at shrinking the national debt.
I'm sure Awval in Barbados will explain how this is all good.
01-30-2017 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Cite for this confident claim? That is a lot of >>>'s!
Dan. We have talked about this.
01-30-2017 , 09:43 PM
Shadow gov. at work? Rogue Capitol Hill aides?

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Kathryn Rexrode, the House Judiciary Committee’s communications director, declined to comment about the aides’ work. A Judiciary Committee aide said Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) was not "consulted by the administration on the executive order."

The work of the committee aides began during the transition period after the election and before Donald Trump was sworn in. The staffers signed nondisclosure agreements, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Trump's transition operation forced its staff to sign these agreements, but it would be unusual to extend that requirement to congressional employees. Rexrode declined to comment on the nondisclosure pacts.

...

“These executive orders were very rushed and drafted by a very tight-knit group of individuals who did not run it by the people who have to execute the policy. And because that’s the case, they probably didn’t think of or care about how this would be executed in the real world,” said another congressional source familiar with the situation. “No one was given a heads-up and no one had a chance to weigh in on it.”

Insiders told POLITICO that the botched roll-out of the immigration executive order was coordinated for the most part by White House policy director Stephen Miller, a former Sessions staffer, and Trump senior strategist Stephen Bannon.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...s-order-234392
01-30-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
a narcissistic madman talked his way into the White House!

I get flamed and called a racist here constantly because I'll downplay one issue to shed light on another that is far MORE important to fight over.

You get called a racist because you occasionally say something that some people think racists also say. That's not fair you might say because most people who sometimes say stuff that happen to be similar to what a racist might say shouldn't have that description put on them as they are not in fact racists. And the people who call them that should know better. So you would usually have my sympathy. Except everything I just said applies equally, if not moreso to the word "madman".
01-30-2017 , 09:58 PM
Mike Flynn, Trump's national security adviser, deletes Twitter account

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2613419/
01-30-2017 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
DGAF about the majority opinion. If someone posts a reputable poll showing 70/30 Americans in favor of Muslim ban, no one here is gonna be like "aw shucks, I guess the bigots are right after all, and we really should treat Muslims like dog****." It will still be wrong no matter how many bootlickers there are in America.
With one exception. If a voter qualification test winnowed out that 70 to the point where those still allowed to vote stopped things like a Muslim ban, it would still be wrong to administer it.
01-30-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
With one exception. If a voter qualification test winnowed out that 70 to the point where those still allowed to vote stopped things like a Muslim ban, it would still be wrong to administer it.
Replace "voter qualification test" with "gerrymandering and voter id laws," and reverse the thesis and conclusion, and you have the current state of affairs and an explanation for why we are where we are right now.
01-30-2017 , 10:08 PM
I'm thinking if Sessions is not approved tomorrow Trump will fire Yates at the end of the day. He'd probably have done it tonight, but he won't just yet given Sessions hearing is tomorrow.
01-30-2017 , 10:10 PM
I'm confused about the grounds on which the ban is unlawful. Once you exclude green card holders, what kind of protections do aliens have?
01-30-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
I'm confused about the grounds on which the ban is unlawful. Once you exclude green card holders, what kind of protections do aliens have?
Its based on the fact they're claiming its religious, but its really not.
01-30-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LFS
JFC are you telling me that all my friends got paid for going to LAX yesterday? Why didn't anybody say so?!?!?!?!?!
Ditto. I'm pretty pissed that Soros didn't pay for my subway fare. I guess I missed the memo.
01-30-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
I'm confused about the grounds on which the ban is unlawful. Once you exclude green card holders, what kind of protections do aliens have?
There's a pretty compelling argument that the ban violates the establishments clause. This argument is given more weight because Trump is a dumbass who bragged on the air that he was doing it to give preference to Christian refugees over Muslim ones. At least one federal judge has already found a substantial likelihood that that violates the establishment clause in issuing a TRO.

Edit: There's also a statute that curtails the president's power to regulate immigration by preventing a president from discriminating based upon, amongst other things, religion or national origin.
01-30-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Right, I'm telling val that that's why they won't back him.
As a rule of thumb. If Starbucks can join the protest then you are doing it wrong.
01-30-2017 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Mike Flynn, Trump's national security adviser, deletes Twitter account

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2613419/
They were punished for Flynn Jr tweeting the hashtag #MuslimBan
01-30-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
You get called a racist because you occasionally say something that some people think racists also say. That's not fair you might say because most people who sometimes say stuff that happen to be similar to what a racist might say shouldn't have that description put on them as they are not in fact racists. And the people who call them that should know better. So you would usually have my sympathy. Except everything I just said applies equally, if not moreso to the word "madman".
Trump literally has a severe case of a disorder that is in the DSM-5. Whether this qualifies as being a "madman" is a semantic issue. Its extremely plain at this point that Trumps disorder is affecting his ability to execute his duties.
01-30-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BMOL33
I'm thinking if Sessions is not approved tomorrow Trump will fire Yates at the end of the day. He'd probably have done it tonight, but he won't just yet given Sessions hearing is tomorrow.
He did do it tonight.



https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...53283002040320

Last edited by sportsjefe; 01-30-2017 at 10:25 PM. Reason: More comprehensive tweet
01-30-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
He did do it tonight.



https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/826252730389954560
what a **** show
01-30-2017 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
He did do it tonight.



https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/826252730389954560
Well, he's now at and beyond Nixon levels in so many respects, why not this one as well.
01-30-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
I'm confused about the grounds on which the ban is unlawful. Once you exclude green card holders, what kind of protections do aliens have?
From the ACLU's application for a stay:

FIFTH AMENDMENT – PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS
DENIAL OF RIGHT TO APPLY FOR ASYLUM
57. Petitioners repeat and incorporate by reference each and every allegation contained in the preceding paragraphs as if fully set forth herein.
58. Procedural due process requires that the government be constrained before it acts in a way that deprives individuals of liberty interests protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.
59. The United States government is obligated by United States and international law to hear the asylum claims of noncitizens presenting themselves at United States borders and ports of entry. The Immigration and Nationality Act provides that “[a]ny alien who is physically present
in the United States or who arrives in the United States. . . irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 235(b).” 8 U.S.C. § 1158(a)(1); see also id. § 1225(b)(1)(A)(ii).
60. Consistent with these United States statutory and international law obligations, individuals arriving at United States ports of entry must afforded an opportunity to apply for asylum or other forms of humanitarian protection and be promptly received and processed by United States authorities.
61. Having presented themselves at a United States port of entry, Petitioners are entitled to apply for asylum and to be received and processed by United States authorities.
62. Respondents’ actions in denying Petitioners the opportunity to apply for asylum, taken pursuant to the EO, violate the procedural due process rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment.

COUNT TWO
FIFTH AMENDMENT – PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS
DENIAL OF RIGHT TO WITHHOLDING/CAT PROTECTION
63. Petitioners repeat and incorporate by reference each and every allegation contained in the preceding paragraphs as if fully set forth herein.
64. Under United States law as well as human rights conventions, the United States may not return (“refoul”) a noncitizen to a country where she may face torture or persecution. See 8 U.S.C. § 1231(b); United Nations Convention Against Torture (“CAT”), implemented in the Foreign Affairs Reform and RestrucTturing Act of 1998 (“FARRA”), Pub. L. No. 105-277, div.
G, Title XXII, § 2242, 112 Stat. 2681, 2681-822 (1998) (codified as Note to 8 U.S.C. § 1231).
65. Respondents’ actions in seeking to return Petitioners to Iraq, taken pursuant to the EO, deprive Petitioners of their rights under 8 U.S.C. § 1231(b) and the Convention Against Torture without due process of law.

COUNT THREE
THE IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT, THE CONVENTION AGAINST
TORTURE, THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS REFORM AND RESTRUCTURING ACT OF
1998, IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS
66. Petitioners repeat and incorporate by reference each and every allegation contained in the preceding paragraphs as if fully set forth herein.
67. The Immigration and Nationality Act and implementing regulations, including 8 U.S.C. § 1225(b)(1) (expedited removal), 8 C.F.R. §§ 235.3(b)(4), 208.30, and 1003.42; 8 U.S.C. § 1158 (asylum), and 8 U.S.C. § 1231(b)(3) (withholding of removal), and the United Nations Convention Against Torture (“CAT”), implemented in the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act of 1998 (“FARRA”), Pub.L. No. 105-277, div. G, Title XXII, § 2242, 112 Stat.
2681, 2681-822 (1998) (codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1231 note), entitle Petitioners to an opportunity to apply for asylum, withholding of removal, and CAT relief. These provisions also entitle Petitioners to a grant of withholding of removal and CAT relief upon a showing that they meet the applicable legal standards. Respondents’ actions in seeking to return Petitioners to Iraq, taken pursuant to the EO, deprive Petitioners of their statutory and regulatory rights.

COUNT FOUR
FIFTH AMENDMENT – EQUAL PROTECTION
68. Petitioners repeat and incorporates by reference each and every allegation contained in the preceding paragraphs as if fully set forth herein.
69. The EO discriminates against Petitioners on the basis of their country of origin, and without sufficient justification, and therefore violates the equal protection component of the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.
70. Additionally, the EO was substantially motivated by animus toward—and has a disparate effect on—Muslims, which also violates the equal protection component of the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

COUNT FIVE
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE ACT
71. Petitioners repeat and incorporates by reference each and every allegation contained in the preceding paragraphs as if fully set forth herein.
72. The INA forbids discrimination in issuance of visas based on a person's race, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence. 8 U.S.C. § 1152(a)(1)(A).
73. Respondents’ detention and mistreatment of Petitioners and the members of the proposed class pursuant to the January 27 EO, as set forth above, is not authorized by the INA.
74. Respondents’ actions in detaining and mistreating Petitioners and other members of the proposed class as set forth above were arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law; contrary to constitutional right, power, privilege, or immunity; in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations, or short of statutory right; and without observance of procedure required by law, in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C. §§ 706(2)(A)-(D).

Does that clear it up for you?
01-30-2017 , 10:26 PM
Trump has the patience of a 2 year old. Couldn't even wait for tomorrow to get rid of Sally Yates:



https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/stat...53953759399936

      
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