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01-30-2017 , 08:02 PM

#3426

RV Life

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This dude makes a pretty good case that some rogue POTUS staffer is in fact a Russian trying to undermine Trump to benefit Putin.

Basically, there are spelling errors that wouldn't come from a normal US citizen.

Last edited by RV Life; 01-30-2017 at 08:03 PM. Reason: It's about 15 tweets. I'm not going to post them all.

01-30-2017 , 08:03 PM

#3427

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Midnight Massacre in the bingo chute.

01-30-2017 , 08:04 PM

#3428

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Add in psychopathic Trump-loving terrorist in the mix. This is like seeing a loud mouthed LAG run bad.

01-30-2017 , 08:08 PM

#3429

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Btw, most of these DOJ lawyers can make 2-4x as much in private sector. The job is a form of civil service. Trump has no real leverage.

01-30-2017 , 08:08 PM

#3430

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

The fake WH account isn't even a good fake account. Homie anyone at 2p2 could've taught you how to mimic how racists talk better than that!

I remain entirely skeptical of that twitter account. But Trump's butler often used muzzies as an epithet.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/politi...ama/index.html

01-30-2017 , 08:10 PM

#3431

ChrisV

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It's just some 4channer trolling.

01-30-2017 , 08:12 PM

#3432

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

It's three months after the election, and just twenty minutes ago I saw some RWNJ trot out the incredibly inaccurate, Breitbart-inspired fake stat "Hillary only won 57 of the 3141 counties in this country!"

The far-right really is comprised of a group of dolts.

Honestly, I have no idea how some people are so dumb. How can anyone read that and go back to that site ever again, let alone actually believe it. I question every ****ing day multiple times per day how we got to this point and it angers me. Is it too hard to treat people equally and not be *******s to each other? I guess so.

01-30-2017 , 08:14 PM

#3433

Paul D

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

Adelson might fit better than the Koch brothers given the shared religion (or ethnicity I don't know how either worship)

They're all wealthy men who use their money to foward their own interests. Soros might be more humane than the others, but he does essentially the same thing.

01-30-2017 , 08:14 PM

#3434

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

Sure, Sessions can defend it if confirmed, but cat is out of the bag, optics are terrible, Trump learns EOs don't defend themselves, and career DOJ lawyers are presented a choice between law and loyalty, and plays into SCt nomination.

Trump now has to fire her.

You think Trump cares about terrible optics? Where has that ever stopped him?

01-30-2017 , 08:29 PM

#3435

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

You think Trump cares about terrible optics? Where has that ever stopped him?

To go a bit further, how many times have we judged the optics to be bad for him but proven we are the ones who didn't get it?

01-30-2017 , 08:30 PM

#3436

RV Life

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LOL FOX. There's an "exclusive" about the history of Kellyann Conway. Meanwhile, the world is burning.

Never change Fox. Never change.

01-30-2017 , 08:30 PM

#3437

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

You think Trump cares about terrible optics? Where has that ever stopped him?

This goes from bad day to semi-historical event. See Saturday night massacre. It continues to chip into Trump's approval, and President's power is based in part on public support.

01-30-2017 , 08:37 PM

#3438

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

This goes from bad day to semi-historical event. See Saturday night massacre. It continues to chip into Trump's approval, and President's power is based in part on public support.

This is what worries me. At some point, Trump will start doing what he thinks will get his ratings up. He can't help it. He thrives on good ratings. That's when the real ****show will start. Who knows WTF he's gonna do. My guess is he will try to censor the media from reporting anything bad.

01-30-2017 , 08:42 PM

#3439

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

To go a bit further, how many times have we judged the optics to be bad for him but proven we are the ones who didn't get it?

I don't recall it being proven that we don't get it, proven that there's a lot more deplorables out there than we imagined, perhaps.

01-30-2017 , 08:42 PM

#3440

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Originally Posted by valenzuela

My view from abroad is that the cleavage of Trump presidency will be cosmopolitan values against parochialism. That seems to play right into the hands of both Trump and the establishment of the Democratic Party.
I basically expect Trump to push for mild fascism and activist managing to keep it under control which of course it's a complete disaster.

In order from Trump to be put under real pressure you need to hit him where it really hurts. The white working class. The problem is that the only person that understands that is Bernie Sanders.

Trump's fighting the culture war for his base from the White House. Sanders knows better, but liberals are so so so so so tied in to those issues that he's the bad guy for not putting them front and center. He's essentially Lestat.

01-30-2017 , 08:44 PM

#3441

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

This goes from bad day to semi-historical event. See Saturday night massacre. It continues to chip into Trump's approval, and President's power is based in part on public support.

He's underwater in approval rating and governing like he's the most popular president ever.

01-30-2017 , 08:45 PM

#3442

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki

I don't recall it being proven that we don't get it, proven that there's a lot more deplorables out there than we imagined, perhaps.

I will accept that clarification.

01-30-2017 , 08:51 PM

#3443

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

This goes from bad day to semi-historical event. See Saturday night massacre. It continues to chip into Trump's approval, and President's power is based in part on public support.

I don't follow. Wasn't Trump going to replace her anyway?

01-30-2017 , 08:53 PM

#3444

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Scenario: EO barring all muslim green card holders from entering. Trump loses at the SCOTUS 6-2. Trump decides to ignore the ruling with an excuse plausible enough to get Breitbart to run with it. In that scenerio, I got Ryan getting on board with impeachment at 60-40 against.

But this is all guess work anyway. The only time anything similar had happened in living memory is the Saturday Night Massacre and the AG then wasn't Sessions and the GOP Congress then wouldn't confirm him as a Circuit judge whereas he's a lock now.

01-30-2017 , 08:54 PM

#3445

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I don't follow. Wasn't Trump going to replace her anyway?

Yes, literally tomorrow apparently. There is nothing close to a parallel.

01-30-2017 , 08:58 PM

#3446

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I don't follow. Wasn't Trump going to replace her anyway?

It's not a casual thing when the acting AG says a law/EO is literally legally indefensible. Sure, he can fire her or wait for Sessions, but the message has been sent to the courts, DOJ attorneys, the next AG, and Trump and his staff.

Miller and Bannon aren't lawyers, they don't know where the lines are that they have to color within.The OLC and agencies will now have greater say to avoid further disasters.

It's not game over, but it is an own goal.

01-30-2017 , 08:59 PM

#3447

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It's historical because it's the attorney general's job to defend the president. This is only the second time in memory that this is happened. And I don't expect Trump to have a rational, calm, measured response.

Her defiance of the EO is significant.

01-30-2017 , 09:07 PM

#3448

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Here's a post from a prosecutor on what Trump has done to his opinion of norms among LEOs

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Originally Posted by jman220

I have posted on these forums for 11 years. I mostly come in to the politics forum to post when there is a thread about racism in law enforcement, or the criminal justice system. I come in to post and defend my law enforcement brethren. When posters like Fly responded to police killings of unarmed black men by decrying a racist system and stating an appropriate response was to "burn it all down" I vociferously argued for the system. I claimed that there was no systemic racism in the system, or in law enforcement, that we were living in a post-racial society, and that what I saw as isolated incidents involving in my mind anomalous law enforcement officers (or other situations that I thought were justified) in no way evidenced a massive racist slant in the system that I have worked in for over a decade.

I was wrong. Fly and posters like him were right. The black lives matter movement is right. These past few months culminating in last night proved that. I watched as my co-workers supported and voted for a man campaigning on "law and order" who dog whistled to white supremacists and the kkk, quoted from the protocols of the elders of zion, denigrated an entire ethnicity, and bragged about sexual assault. I watched as people who I know and respect and have worked with for years celebrated with glee at his election today. I am sorry.

There are dark days ahead; especially if your skin color is darker than mine.

01-30-2017 , 09:13 PM

#3449

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsjefe

That's the narrative sold by Hillary supporters and the media in the primary. At every rally Bernie talked about social justice extensively.

01-30-2017 , 09:15 PM

#3450

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remember when Trump was saying variations of this throughout the campaign
Donald Trump on terrorists: 'Take out their families'

SEAL, American Girl Die in First Trump-Era U.S. Military Raid

Quote:

In what an official said was the first military raid carried out under President Donald Trump, two Americans were killed in Yemen on Sunday — one a member of SEAL Team 6 and the other the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, the New Mexico-born al Qaeda leader who himself was killed in a U.S. strike five years ago.

The raid in southern Yemen, conducted by the supersecret Joint Special Operations Command, was intended to capture valuable intelligence, specifically computer equipment, according to a senior U.S. military official. Three al Qaeda leaders were killed, according to U.S. officials.

Contrary to earlier reporting, the senior military official said, the raid was Trump's first clandestine strike — not a holdover mission approved by President Barack Obama. The mission involved "boots on the ground" at an al Qaeda camp near al Bayda in south central Yemen, the official said.

"Almost everything went wrong," the official said.

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