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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-19-2017 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
so how did that trump vote turn out for you?
All's well that ends well, I suppose.

I mean, the worst thing that happens is the dems get their wish and Pence takes over. The memes switch over from TinyTrump to lots of pictures of Pence with rainbows snuck in the background somewhere, this forum goes back to being a snoozefest, and the democrats still lose in 2018. The race for POTUS in 2020 is FAR less controversial, but dems still have to overcome the incumbent advantage. The country won't have burned down by then. DOW probably winds up over 24,000. Full employment and GDP growth numbers are at least as high as under Obama.

I was never an active Trump supporter, and thus don't take any of this personally.

I can't wait for you guys to get too big for your britches and actually nominate Sanders or someone similar for 2020.
05-19-2017 , 08:28 PM
lol @ democrats losing in 2018 if trump is impeached

come on

and Pence staying potus is very questionable, he's in the thick of it.

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Originally Posted by Inso0
Full employment and GDP growth numbers are at least as high as under Obama.
so you think the GOP is actually good for jobs and economy, that myth is pretty hard to get rid of!
05-19-2017 , 08:30 PM
One common thing i noticed about all these never trumpers is that they all celebrated as the results came in election night and they all support what hes done as president while point out they didnt vote for him.

Call me crazy but i think these never trumpers voted trump
05-19-2017 , 08:31 PM
Paul Ryan would have to bring articles of impeachment for Trump to go down before 2018. Just sayin'. Things are changing quickly but I still don't see that happening any time soon.
05-19-2017 , 08:32 PM
Was Pence some huge success in Indiana that I haven't heard about? From what I hear he was a gong show just like most GOP governors.
05-19-2017 , 08:32 PM
05-19-2017 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
All's well that ends well, I suppose.

I mean, the worst thing that happens is the dems get their wish and Pence takes over. The memes switch over from TinyTrump to lots of pictures of Pence with rainbows snuck in the background somewhere, this forum goes back to being a snoozefest, and the democrats still lose in 2018. The race for POTUS in 2020 is FAR less controversial, but dems still have to overcome the incumbent advantage. The country won't have burned down by then. DOW probably winds up over 24,000. Full employment and GDP growth numbers are at least as high as under Obama.

I was never an active Trump supporter, and thus don't take any of this personally.

I can't wait for you guys to get too big for your britches and actually nominate Sanders or someone similar for 2020.
So you think DOW is the only thing matters? What about 24 million Americans not being able to get health insurance under RepubliCare? That could end up affecting people you know. It could lead to increased crime and unemployment which could eventually affect you. In fact all of Trump's policies are likely to lead to more crime, unemployment, and higher prices. So how is that good? Those are all the reasons you would have said the economy was failing under Obama, despite the low unemployment numbers.
05-19-2017 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
So you still don't think Trump is stupid?
Let's just say I'm disappointed with the end result so far, and Trump is clearly a major factor.

I'll let you know when I'm ready to throw him under the bus completely. I've taken off my jacket and started warming up my shoulders.
05-19-2017 , 08:34 PM
Oh, I'm not holding my breath. It's clear you've decided not to think critically about any of this and it's also clear that it's all just a game to you.
05-19-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
So Emptywheel is piecing together all the smoke that's coming from Kushner. Basically all those improper communications that Flynn had Kushner also had so Trump's odd loyalty to Flynn might be less personal loyalty but knowing that Flynn was helping or knows something about Kushner and wants to keep him close.

It's a bit long and there's no big smoking gun just a lot of putting puzzle pieces together.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/05/1...ey-connection/
This is the part that is especially concerning.

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Trump may well think Flynn is a nice man that deserves his loyalty. More likely, though, Trump knows that Flynn could sink his son-in-law. I believe that’s why Trump had to fire Comey in an effort to undercut the Flynn investigation.

And Rod Rosenstein, the survivor, just picked a partner from the firm of Kushner and Ivanka’s lawyer Jamie Gorelick, Robert Mueller, to take over the investigation into Flynn.

Update: Sure enough, Reuters is reporting that Mueller, by design, may not be able to investigate Kushner or Paul Manafort.
05-19-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Prawney
One common thing i noticed about all these never trumpers is that they all celebrated as the results came in election night and they all support what hes done as president while point out they didnt vote for him.

Call me crazy but i think these never trumpers voted trump
To be clear, I was not one of these guys. I was a "C'mon people, Trump? Really?"

The Never Trumpers I know were at best "meh" about the election results, and have been insufferable 24/7 since Trump actually took office with the, "This never would've happen if..." nonsense.
05-19-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Oh and guys. I can totally take the LOLs about voting for Trump. It's well deserved.

But for the last ****ing time, I know how taxes work.

I don't file a ****ing form 1040EZ. I know how marginal tax brackets work. I have a goddamn excel spreadsheet about my estimated taxes.
Haha I knew you'd have umbrage at the 1040EZ. That's why I specifically said 1040EZ rather than just say file taxes.
05-19-2017 , 08:46 PM
This day is going to kill me.

05-19-2017 , 08:50 PM
Just the Russians getting caught saying months before the election that they saw Flynn as an asset and a way to influence Trump. NBD

05-19-2017 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Paul Ryan would have to bring articles of impeachment for Trump to go down before 2018. Just sayin'. Things are changing quickly but I still don't see that happening any time soon.
If it's inevitable the damage might be lower if it's July 17 vs next summer or after midterms.

I think right now they still can get laws passed and want to do that first, if it becomes clear that won't happen they might cut ties.
05-19-2017 , 08:51 PM
I feel bad for InsO. It must be tough going through life with so little intellect or understanding of the world.
05-19-2017 , 08:51 PM
Inso,

Plenty of stupid people luckbox into money. Look at Charlie Sheen. Hell, a guy like A-Rod is worth like $500 million.

This is one of the big problems with this country. Too many people equate money to equal intelligence. Donald Trump is literally a 70 year old Kim Kardashian. He's famous for being famous and rode it to the US presidency. It doesn't mean he's intelligent. The reason NYC voted for HC 80/20 over Trump is because NY'ers have known for the past 40 years that Trump is nothing but a bull**** conman.
05-19-2017 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
So you think DOW is the only thing matters? What about 24 million Americans not being able to get health insurance under RepubliCare? That could end up affecting people you know. It could lead to increased crime and unemployment which could eventually affect you. In fact all of Trump's policies are likely to lead to more crime, unemployment, and higher prices. So how is that good? Those are all the reasons you would have said the economy was failing under Obama, despite the low unemployment numbers.
I personally don't think the DOW means a goddamned thing in the grand scheme of things, but that's one of the primary metrics people have decided to use for gauging the health of the economy.

As far as the rest of your post, I put as much stock in those figures and predictions as I do the ones the Obama admin cited when Obamacare was forced down our throat, and we know how that turned out. Keep your doctor! Save thousands! Affordable insurance for everyone! Yeah, right.

You know what will also lead to more crime, unemployment, and higher prices? Soft sentences for repeat criminal offenders, and massive increases in the minimum wage. It doesn't matter who's in charge. WAAF.
05-19-2017 , 08:54 PM
thats the CNN breaking

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politi...nce/index.html

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First on CNN: Russian officials bragged they could use Flynn to influence Trump, sources say
05-19-2017 , 08:55 PM
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I personally don't think the DOW means a goddamned thing in the grand scheme of things, but that's one of the primary metrics people have decided to use for gauging the health of the economy.

As far as the rest of your post, I put as much stock in those figures and predictions as I do the ones the Obama admin cited when Obamacare was forced down our throat, and we know how that turned out. Keep your doctor! Save thousands! Affordable insurance for everyone! Yeah, right.

You know what will also lead to more crime, unemployment, and higher prices? Soft sentences for repeat criminal offenders, and massive increases in the minimum wage. It doesn't matter who's in charge. WAAF.
Obamacare Has Increased Insurance Coverage Everywhere
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ge-everywhere/
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New data released this month might give a hint as to why: The uninsured rate — the share of the population without health insurance — dropped in every congressional district in the country between 2013 and 2015, according to the American Community Survey.

But on one metric, at least, the law seems to be working: More people are getting coverage. According to other Census Bureau data released last week, 4 million people gained insurance last year. About 29 million Americans still don’t have insurance, 13 million fewer than before the law took effect.

The biggest improvements in the uninsured rate came in California, a state that fervently embraced the controversial law. About a third of the state’s residents are now enrolled in California’s Medicaid program, and 1.38 million people are enrolled in private insurance through the state’s health insurance marketplace after a multimillion-dollar campaign to promote it. (Check out the table at the end of this article to see how uninsured rates changed in every district.)

At the other end of the spectrum, the smallest declines in the rate of uninsured were mostly in Massachusetts, which passed a law in 2006 requiring residents to have insurance. (The Massachusetts law was a model for the ACA.) The state already had high rates of coverage as a result. For example, in District 8, which had the highest rate of coverage of any congressional district in 2015, coverage only increased by 1.5 percentage points from the previous year

05-19-2017 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Prawney
One common thing i noticed about all these never trumpers is that they all celebrated as the results came in election night and they all support what hes done as president while point out they didnt vote for him.

Call me crazy but i think these never trumpers voted trump

We focus on the scandals of the current occupant of the White House. In the alternate universe where the other candidate is president, today we would be focusing on the husband of a top advisor to the president pleading guilty and would be reminding ourselves about that advisor's role in the leaking of classified information and a myriad of other misdeeds. Or maybe that president would be involved in a cover-up or obstruction to remove that from our attention. We are still stuck in a big mess in the alternate universe with the other president.

Nothing in the past six months has made the alternate universe more desirable to the world than what we have in the real universe. Never Trumpers and millions of others had a tough decision to make and made the right choice.
05-19-2017 , 08:56 PM
In Inso's world, we really need to start cracking down on guys getting caught with a joint 2x. REPEAT CRIMINAL OFFENDERS! Jeff Sessions would be proud.
05-19-2017 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
In Inso's world, we really need to start cracking down on guys getting caught with a joint 2x. REPEAT CRIMINAL OFFENDERS! Jeff Sessions would be proud.
Yeah it's pure insanity. There's absolutely no way to justify it except that these people want to lock up more black people to keep them from being able to vote or participate in the economy.
05-19-2017 , 08:57 PM
Inso,

What do you think happens to a family when a father goes to prison for multiple years for a nonviolent drug offense?
05-19-2017 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
https://web.archive.org/web/20170104...ushner?lang=en

Sorry guys. You were scammed on your Twitter news.
Lol, I was thinking even for one of trumps lot that is beyond stupid.

      
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