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05-18-2017 , 12:45 PM

#33751

DeuceKicker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Yet none of them have the balls to resign which at this point would be a huge career boon. The longer the wait the more tarnished they become. I don't get how any partially sane person could continue working in that environment. The first one or two to voluntarily jump ship (as long as they are not rotten to the core) will benefit much more then trying to ride this water slide to hell.

Is that true? I wasn't paying attention to politics during the Clinton presidency, but it seems like a number of regulars on the morning shows are former Clinton staffers who either have a show or are regular on-air talent. It doesn't seem to have made them toxic.

05-18-2017 , 12:47 PM

#33752

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

So, I picked a hell of a week to be abroad and not following news terribly closely, and looking at bobman's post about Raqqa it's not even something I'd heard of before. Excluding the below, what else have I missed since the Comey firing?
- Trump gave Russia secret Israeli intelligence w/o their consent
- Trump asked Comey to end the Flynn investigation in February
- Trump knew Flynn was under investigation in early January

also

MarALago, security is so bad even a "average hacker" could hack it, and the source said something like "I assume it's already been hacked and the data has been stolen"

thats fun

05-18-2017 , 12:48 PM

#33753

Rococo

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Agree. Let's not feel bad for these people. They are part of the problem. None are slaves. They are choosing to support the worst president of all time. They deserve any suffering that is happening.

I generally agree with this, especially for the disinformation shills like Spicer and Conway.

It's a little trickier for the foreign policy guys. Someone like Mattis or McMaster might think: (i) I don't like Trump; but (ii) I might be a steadying influence on an erratic decision maker in the event of a crisis; so (iii) I probably should take the job. That way of thinking wouldn't strike me as inherently unreasonable.

05-18-2017 , 12:53 PM

#33754

Kirbynator

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Due to the political situation in the White House, our chief strategist and his team decided to reduce our exposure to the US market.

Since we already have a defensive position, we are well prepared in the event of a decline in the markets.

got this email this morning

was considering calling em before but theyre on the ball

05-18-2017 , 12:53 PM

#33755

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DeuceKicker

Clinton wasn't toxic. He was impeached for lying about a blowjob.

05-18-2017 , 12:55 PM

#33756

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

There's lots of this ITT.

If we become happy when learning someone died that to me means we prefer them dead. In other words, if we had to choose, we'd choose that they not be alive.

For those of you happy that this dude is no longer alive, would you be OK with the death penalty if you knew with 100% accuracy that the dude being killed was guilty?

celebrating the death of a **** has nothing to do with the death penalty

Like if Trump died today, would I be happy. Yes.

Do I think the death penalty is humane? No.

05-18-2017 , 12:55 PM

#33757

Lestat

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Originally Posted by RV Life

If Flynn isn't going to acknowledge a subpoena, why did he ask for immunity?

Cuz jail really sucks?

05-18-2017 , 12:56 PM

#33758

Rococo

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Originally Posted by Our House

Keep this post on the back burner for when Trump fires Rosenstein.

If Trump fired Rosenstein right now, he would be slitting his own throat. That option becomes a real option imo only if he is exonerated by the special prosecutor.

05-18-2017 , 12:58 PM

#33759

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05-18-2017 , 12:58 PM

#33760

Lestat

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Originally Posted by markksman

They have pretty much all ruined their careers and made fools of themselves going out there and straight up lying for this guy every day. The rest are probably in legit trouble. They're all in this together and putting up a united front.

Last edited by Lestat; 05-18-2017 at 01:25 PM. Reason: sp

05-18-2017 , 12:58 PM

#33761

TheHip41

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I'm assuming Flynn thinks that ignoring a subpoena from Congress is a better alternative than Testifying about Trump and Putin and such.

Its like that scene from the Sopranos when the witness realizes its Tony Soprano they are prosecuting and he "forgets" what he saw.

Seriously though, what would happen if Flynn died tomorrow? anything? nothing? would Fox even cover it?

05-18-2017 , 12:59 PM

#33762

Kirbynator

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theyd say the democrats killed him

05-18-2017 , 12:59 PM

#33763

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by uDevil

Lawyer: Don't contact Flynn!
Trump: Flynn, stay strong, buddy!

https://twitter.com/Isikoff/status/865220645046681601

If I were a cynical guy I'd say that's Trump trying to reassure Flynn so he doesn't spill the beans.

Or maybe Trump is completely oblivious to anything related to laws, appearances, etc and just wanted to send out well wishes to a friend

05-18-2017 , 12:59 PM

#33764

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

Cuz jail really sucks?

Haha yea I know. But saying no to the subpoena can put him in jail.

05-18-2017 , 01:14 PM

#33765

Mayo

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Imagine a goddamn moron like Mike Flynn being the hill you choose to die on.

05-18-2017 , 01:15 PM

#33766

Lestat

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Originally Posted by RV Life

Haha yea I know. But saying no to the subpoena can put him in jail.

In all seriousness, he/his lawyer are taking a calculated risk by ignoring the subpoena. Flynn has probably engaged in the most punishable criminal acts, but he is also in a position to be the most useful and helpful witness in implicating others and providing a perspective on the entire scope of things. So he is stalling until the investigation gets far enough along to realize this is the case whereby his attorney will hope to plea bargain his charges down in return for cooperation.

That's my guess.

05-18-2017 , 01:17 PM

#33767

RV Life

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

In all seriousness, he/his lawyer are taking a calculated risk by ignoring the subpoena. Flynn has probably engaged in the most punishable criminal acts, but he is also in a position to be the most useful and helpful witness in implicating others and providing a perspective on the entire scope of things. So he is stalling until the investigation gets far enough along to realize this is the case and then his attorney hopes to plea bargain his charges down.

That's my guess.

Yea, that makes sense. He can also leak stuff to the press to increase his leverage against Trump over the next few weeks/months.

05-18-2017 , 01:18 PM

#33768

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo

Imagine a goddamn moron like Mike Flynn being the hill you choose to die on.

Flynn is the smartest man on earth compared to Trump. Trump is too stupid to realize its a hill or that he might die on it.

05-18-2017 , 01:19 PM

#33769

Our House

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

this, wanted to come in here and celebrate some

i'll kick this one off

ailes,

resting in peace is the last thing i hope you're doing right now. EAD in hell you old piece of ****, you singlehandedly did as much damage to this country as any man before you and i hope your soul burns eternally for it, pathetic son of a ***** waste of life. **** you and all your loved ones

Can a dead guy still be considered old?

Rest of the post seems fine.

05-18-2017 , 01:24 PM

#33770

RV Life

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Trump really is nothing but a giant scaredy cat. Refuses to ride a cable car and cancels a trip because his helicopter won't be permitted to land.

Unlike former presidents who have made the trip, such as George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Trump declined to land the helicopter at a base of the historic site and then take the cable car up, preferring to cancel the visit altogether.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-cancel...landing-611287

05-18-2017 , 01:29 PM

#33771

otatop

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More evidence of his fear of inclines. Sad!

05-18-2017 , 01:33 PM

#33772

Zimmer4141

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The last time he was in a Gondola going uphill, he had to publicly beat his wife for skiing faster than him.

05-18-2017 , 01:46 PM

#33773

13ball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

Wiki: Contempt of Congress

Refusing a subpoena won't fly with a Grand Jury, though.

So is the play for Trump to issue Flynn a blanket pardon to keep him from making a deal or something? If so what happens next?

I don't think you can issue a preemptive pardon, but you can promise Flynn a pardon.

Flynn could plead the fifth and just hope they find nothing or only get him on a small crime. If he has info to trade for immunity he can bide his time--probably for years.

05-18-2017 , 01:50 PM

#33774

seattlelou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13ball

Was Nixon's pardon considered to be preemptive?

05-18-2017 , 01:50 PM

#33775

patron

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Why is Chaffetz resigning prematurely?

1) To avoid all the oversight and investigations into Trump that he should be doing, and then run for Utah Governor or something else in the future.

2) To avoid affair, money laundering, or other criminal allegations. (Is there actual credible evidence for any of these besides speculation?)

3) Other?

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