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05-18-2017 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Remember the projection built into every statement. This means he's on a tremendous witch hunt himself -- for leaks.
I mean, he already conducted one of the greatest witch hunts of all time trying to prove obama being a muslim kenyan or whatever.
05-18-2017 , 09:59 AM
Trump is a global media phenomenon. There are already articles up on the Portuguese press about his tweet this morning.


https://twitter.com/ezlusztig/status/865202864100188162
05-18-2017 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
No, Obama killed the son. The daughter was killed by Trump.
Ah. I see. 16 yo son killed. Googling.

Senior advisor said "he should have had a more responsible father. "

This is the good team = WAAF.
05-18-2017 , 10:01 AM
So, I picked a hell of a week to be abroad and not following news terribly closely, and looking at bobman's post about Raqqa it's not even something I'd heard of before. Excluding the below, what else have I missed since the Comey firing?
- Trump gave Russia secret Israeli intelligence w/o their consent
- Trump asked Comey to end the Flynn investigation in February
- Trump knew Flynn was under investigation in early January
05-18-2017 , 10:02 AM
Most of Bush's worst actions were technically legal, I believe. Were the torture camps even technically illegal at the end of the day? The photos were horrifically brutal.
05-18-2017 , 10:03 AM
The law is more often that not something that is used to prop up power rather than assert actual justice.
05-18-2017 , 10:04 AM
Remember Bush decided to "indefinitely detain" terror SUSPECTS without ever charging them with a crime for years. Didn't that turn out to be perfectly legal too?
05-18-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Most of Bush's worst actions were technically legal, I believe. Were the torture camps even technically illegal at the end of the day? The photos were horrifically brutal.
Getting a blowjob was definitely legal.

Sessions lied under oath
Trump obstructed justice

It's the cover-up that might get them.
05-18-2017 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
So, I picked a hell of a week to be abroad and not following news terribly closely, and looking at bobman's post about Raqqa it's not even something I'd heard of before. Excluding the below, what else have I missed since the Comey firing?
- Trump gave Russia secret Israeli intelligence w/o their consent
- Trump asked Comey to end the Flynn investigation in February
- Trump knew Flynn was under investigation in early January
This is by far the biggest one not on your list:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.5661d52a59bb
05-18-2017 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I mean, given what we heard about Trump's reaction when Jefferson the Half-Elven recused himself, this has to happen right? Either Rosenstein defied his boss, which gets him fired, or he had his boss' blessing, which lends credence to Leif Ericsson's theory.
Okay this is wrong if the news people on twitter are to be believed. Trump did not have advance noticed of the special prosecutor's appointment.

Rosenstein needs to climb up the Hill and explain that letter imo.
05-18-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Most of Bush's worst actions were technically legal, I believe. Were the torture camps even technically illegal at the end of the day? The photos were horrifically brutal.
Some Guantanamo stuff was eventually found unconstitutional, but if you're going to scream "criminal" every time a President loses a court case you're going to go hoarse.
05-18-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
This is by far the biggest one not on your list:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.5661d52a59bb
Holy ****, thanks
05-18-2017 , 10:13 AM
Trump's Saudi Arabian concert gonna be YUGE
05-18-2017 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Having thought about it overnight, the Flynn/Raqqa story is definitely the biggest thing to have happened this week (so far!). The National Security Advisor was paid by a foreign government to manipulate U.S. military operations to softplay ISIS to serve the interests of his dictatorial foreign paymasters. And both Trump and Pence knew! It's just breathtaking.
Incredible. I've heard literally nothing about this before now.
05-18-2017 , 10:19 AM
The dots on the Flynn-Turkey thing haven't been completely connected yet.
05-18-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Incredible. I've heard literally nothing about this before now.
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Originally Posted by iron81
The dots on the Flynn-Turkey thing haven't been completely connected yet.
It's too obscure a point to really be made in the media compared to all the other scandals, so sadly it's going to be forgotten.
05-18-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Trump has logged on.

Tweet #1: BUT OBAMA! BUT HILLARY!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...69927644340224


Tweet #2: WITCH HUNT!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...73176854204416


More to come possibly.
LOL. Trump deleted the first one and then put it back a few minutes ago. He fixed a spelling error.
05-18-2017 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
The dots on the Flynn-Turkey thing haven't been completely connected yet.
Well given that he didn't register as a foreign agent until after he was fired it seems like they've already got Flynn on that unless I missed something. Or maybe he fully covered his ass by filing even though it was late?
05-18-2017 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Maybe you know that and we & 80% of the world know that. He's claiming it's unfair though.

For the record, is there a single legit illegal act from Obama?
Nearly every President in modern American history has been involved in some illegal act. It's just a matter of degree.

In the case of Obama, we have assassination of American citizens without due process. Holding prisoners overseas without any right to legal representation or due process. Knowingly bombing a Red Cross hospital and a wedding party with predator drones in the ME. Allowing for the expansion of the surveillance state thus resulting in the unconstitutional invasion of our privacy. It's not as blatant as what Trump is doing, but it is certainly illegal and/or unconstitutional.

People here love giving Obama a free pass on things like this. But the reality is that no POTUS leaves office with their hands clean no matter how good their intentions are. Like Lord Acton said, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority."

The GOP sleeps in their own filth but the Dems aren't immune from getting dirty as well.
05-18-2017 , 10:34 AM
Toby Keith playing an all-male concert in Saudi Arabia is incredibly hilarious.
05-18-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
#tansuitgate

To be fair, I'm not a fan of this suit. Will withhold final judgement until the Comey memo on the matter comes out.
05-18-2017 , 10:36 AM
I want to make a summary of all the things that have been done and proposed by Trump and Republicans since inauguration, something that can be presented to supporters that they need to be asked the defend in addition to their overall ineptitude. So far I've got:
-passed healthcare bill that takes insurance away from millions and raises costs on the most vulnerable (awaiting CBO score)
-passed legislation that allows ISPs to sell your information
-proposed deep cuts to public education
-rolled back health standards for school lunches

Forget Russia and the grifting for now, I just want obvious things that affect people's lives. There's a lot more but it's slipping my mind for the time being, help me out. This is the kind of thing that can be presented to your local Democratic Party and used for propaganda.
05-18-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Maybe you know that and we & 80% of the world know that. He's claiming it's unfair though.

For the record, is there a single legit illegal act from Obama?
Does blowing away an American citizen with a flying robot count?

Last edited by dinopoker; 05-18-2017 at 10:49 AM. Reason: slowest pony ever
05-18-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
The dots on the Flynn-Turkey thing haven't been completely connected yet.
I seem to recall Maddow saying the Turkish organization paying Flynn had Russian links. The dots form a circle.
05-18-2017 , 10:39 AM
The most obvious thing Turkey may have wanted from delaying a planned attack on Al-Raqqah in January was buying time for their already failing Euphrates Shield operation that was pushing down from Turkey between the two Kurdish territories. When it was launched it seemed aimed at both playing a part in the Aleppo situation and definitively ending any chance of the Kurds linking up. I'm sure the goal was to 'liberate' Al-Raqqah themselves when the time came.

By this January Aleppo was over for the most part, but they were beginning to turn their attentions to the Kurds as they were mopping up kicking Isis out of Al-Bab. The operation was pretty embarrasing and slow for Turkey, probably due to the purges of their military that Erdogan's been carrying out since the failed coup last year.

It's obviously difficult to say, but beyond the delay in starting the Al-Raqqah operation it's possible nothing further came of Flynn's work. Euphrates Shield spluttered out after both the Americans and the Russians made moves to protect the Kurds. Though obviously the Turks proclaimed victory when they ended it. The US military has continued to support the Syrian Kurds surprisingly strongly. Who knows what they're all really up to though.

      
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