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05-17-2017 , 09:18 PM

#33526

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This Ryan conversation thing should be huge news and should potentially destroy Ryan, but its doing to get buried under the onslaught of news about Trump.

05-17-2017 , 09:18 PM

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Paul D

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Mindless mantra? It's ****ing reality. There hasn't been one meaningful action against Trump. The Republican Party is completely in the same page about doing jack **** (aside from generic concern).

Thinking 'this time is different!' Is the mindless mantra. Look at all the people that spoke out against Trump or were humiliated by him in the campaign and still haven't done **** against him since then.

I mean, I applaud your optimism, but until Republicans take even the tiniest real action, there's absolutely no reason to think this time is different.

You didn't have Republicans standing up against Reagan or Bush by saying he needs to get his house in order or saying "i said the guy was going to suck a year ago!"

In every way Trump isn't someone a lot of these guys wanted in the first place. When you couple all this with Comey firings, Russian leaks, and congress not being able to get down to business, this time IS different. Republicans are worried at the very least.

05-17-2017 , 09:19 PM

#33528

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Trump aides knew Michael Flynn was under investigation before he became national security adviser and gained access to state secrets

05-17-2017 , 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jman220

This Ryan conversation thing should be huge news and should potentially destroy Ryan, but its doing to get buried under the onslaught of news about Trump.

The Republicans are who we thought they were. They don't believe in democracy.

05-17-2017 , 09:20 PM

#33530

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Originally Posted by Inso0

You know exactly what I mean. Stop nitpicking.

If the truth comes out that Trump did indeed provide the Russians with details about things to watch out for, how is that any different than when Russia warned us about the Tsarnaev brothers in 2011, well before the Boston Marathon bombing?

But again, all of this is speculation.

05-17-2017 , 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

Trump aides knew Michael Flynn was under investigation before he became national security adviser and gained access to state secrets

Chaser

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One of the Trump administration’s first decisions about the fight against the Islamic State was made by Michael Flynn weeks before he was fired – and it conformed to the wishes of Turkey, whose interests, unbeknownst to anyone in Washington, he’d been paid more than $500,000 to represent.

The decision came 10 days before Donald Trump had been sworn in as president, in a conversation with President Barack Obama’s national security adviser, Susan Rice, who had explained the Pentagon’s plan to retake the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa with Syrian Kurdish forces whom the Pentagon considered the U.S.’s most effective military partners. Obama’s national security team had decided to ask for Trump’s sign-off, since the plan would all but certainly be executed after Trump had become president.

Flynn didn’t hesitate. According to timelines distributed by members of Congress in the weeks since, Flynn told Rice to hold off, a move that would delay the military operation for months.

If Flynn explained his answer, that’s not recorded, and it’s not known whether he consulted anyone else on the transition team before rendering his verdict. But his position was consistent with the wishes of Turkey, which had long opposed the United States partnering with the Kurdish forces – and which was his undeclared client.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...151149647.html

05-17-2017 , 09:24 PM

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This will never ever ever happen, but president Orrin Hatch after impeachment of Trump, Pence and Ryan would be the funniest ****ing thing in the history of this country.

at this rate, we're gonna get Louise Mensch unanimously voted in as FBI director.

05-17-2017 , 09:27 PM

#33533

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This guy is like what you would see if you looked up "fascist" in the encyclopedia twenty years from now:

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/864938978469957632

05-17-2017 , 09:28 PM

#33534

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That is, if encyclopedias are still legal of course.

05-17-2017 , 09:30 PM

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Gotta create more lil republicans. I'm not a conspiracy guy but I swear it seems republicans actively try to keep as much of the population as stupid as possible.

How else can they get people to vote for them?

05-17-2017 , 09:31 PM

#33536

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einbert

has been sued by the ACLU?
[ ] yes
[x] not yet

05-17-2017 , 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

einbert

has been sued by the ACLU?
[ ] yes
[x] not yet

That's awesome

05-17-2017 , 09:34 PM

#33538

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in things we already knew that got out there

trump knew flynn was under investigation the whole damn time

05-17-2017 , 09:38 PM

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05-17-2017 , 09:39 PM

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@Paul D: Trump is different, no doubt. His WH is a complete ****show and cannot stop the unending torrent of scandals springing forth from the idiot at the top. But your argument hinges not on Trump being different, but on Republicans taking the dramatically different step of turning on their base and risking their seats for little gain. Trump is still a rubberstamp on their agenda. Until the base turns, they have no reason to turn besides their consciences. And the closer we get to midterms, the less likely they are to rock the boat.

ETA: The Republicans saying "get his house in order," is just about the bare minimum of self-reflection at this stage. And tellingly, the Republican leadership doesn't even meet this standard. Paul Ryan does full on apologetics, and McConnell just says nothing.

05-17-2017 , 09:40 PM

#33541

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I wish the mods hadn't deleted your other post, because there's some useful introspection to be had between that one and this one.

As long as you continue to walk around believing people who don't agree with you are all "****ing morons" and "a special kind of mentally ill-equipped" and then going so far as to tell them that outright, do you REALLY think you'll see a change from the current state of polarization?

You say Republicans are living in an alternate reality, but you refuse to look in the mirror. There are plenty of areas of the country that have been governed exclusively be democrats for decades that are just as bad if not worse than any backwoods hicksville you picture when thinking about Trump supporters.

Take a break from smelling your own farts and think about why 63 million people voted for Trump. The answer is not because they are all, "uninformed and aggressively ignorant" like you claim.

05-17-2017 , 09:42 PM

#33542

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Also, trump is considering putting mccain's wife in the state dept, so seems ridic to me anyone thinking mccain's ever getting past the level of being superduper concerned.

05-17-2017 , 09:49 PM

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Umm, yes it is. That is exactly why they voted Trump.

05-17-2017 , 09:49 PM

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Shot

Chaser

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...151149647.html

Like this is textbook treason by a National Security Advisor of the United States and it's the 3rd (?) biggest story of the day

05-17-2017 , 09:53 PM

#33545

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Apparently Comey would only testify publicly in front of congress but now isn't going to testify publicly at all. Nobody trusts congressional investigations to not selectively leak.

Why would someone testifying publicly be afraid of having his public testimony leaked to the public?

05-17-2017 , 10:00 PM

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How else can they get people to vote for them?

I used to think it was just religious people who thought abortion was murder, didn't believe in gay marriage, and hated the thought of taxes helping the poor. So I knew they were bad people, I just didn't know they were mouth breathing idiots.

The part that kills me is... almost all republican states depend on social programs far more than blue states. So they vote to hurt themselves.