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05-17-2017 , 07:00 PM

#33451

ligastar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

He can just claim executive privilege, I think, unless he lies about something prior to his election.

IANAL, but from wiki:

Quote:

The Supreme Court stated: "To read the Article II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of 'a workable government' and gravely impair the role of the courts under Article III." Because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execut..._United_States

05-17-2017 , 07:00 PM

#33452

425kid

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Originally Posted by fatkid

Can you post the whole thing???

Yeah edited it in: https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...tion-among.pdf

05-17-2017 , 07:03 PM

#33453

Wotton

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The full conversation between the Republicans discussing Ukraine is surprising in so many ways:

They rely so much on what they've seen (Rodgers' "I was there a year ago", Ryan explains what the prime minister told him like he's discovering it and describing things in no nuanced manner "yeah the anti corruption guy")or small bits of information. Like do these people read reports, news? They have whole staff of people who can sum stuff up for them.

Also this:

Quote:

Ryan: Russia is trying to turn Ukraine against itself.
Rodgers: Yes. And that’s…it’s sophisticated and it’s, uh…
Ryan: Maniacal.
Rodgers: Yes.
Ryan: And guess…guess who’s the only one taking a strong stand up against it? We are.
Rodgers: We’re not…we’re not…but, we’re not…

Like Ryan's so used to spin everything into a positive for his own side that he can never stop doing it, even with his own allies. Politics really does fry your brain.

The transcript also sufficiently disproves that it could ever have been an offhand remark that McCarthy didn't mean because he leads in with "I guarantee to you that's what it is" then the idea that the Russians hacked the DNC to give oppo research to Trump and then the statement that he is getting paid. He goes at it three times despite the conversation not naturally going there at all.

05-17-2017 , 07:05 PM

#33454

iron81

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Originally Posted by Our House

Luckily the 5pm anti-Trump bomb will be hitting the airwaves soon.

2.5 hours ago.

05-17-2017 , 07:07 PM

#33455

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

They knew.

they knew, and they chose to cover it up and go along with it because they thought they could benefit politically.

05-17-2017 , 07:10 PM

#33456

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Cannot legally make Trump testify, he has 5th Amendment rights too.

05-17-2017 , 07:10 PM

#33457

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Originally Posted by iron81

2.5 hours ago.

Civilized time mate

05-17-2017 , 07:13 PM

#33458

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Originally Posted by iron81

Cannot legally make Trump testify, he has 5th Amendment rights too.

Claiming 5th ammendment rights would look awful for a POTUS seeking reelection though. Especially on questions relating to collusion with a foreign power.

05-17-2017 , 07:14 PM

#33459

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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the U.S. Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.

News had just broken the day before in The Washington Post that Russian government hackers had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee, prompting McCarthy to shift the conversation from Russian meddling in Europe to events closer to home.

Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

Since when did right wing authoritarians become populists

05-17-2017 , 07:16 PM

#33460

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Originally Posted by 425kid

Claiming 5th ammendment rights would look awful for a POTUS seeking reelection though. Especially on questions relating to collusion with a foreign power.

I get it about taking the 5th but I'm referring to having to show up. What evidence of a crime are we talking about? Wouldn't Mueller actually have to find evidence a crime was committed by someone in the TRUMP campaign? Not sure actually.

Here's what we know. HRC, DNC, and Podesta accounts were hacked. HRC server security was a joke. Podesta and DNC pretty much the same. Repubs weren't hacked apparently.

Last edited by adios; 05-17-2017 at 07:23 PM.

05-17-2017 , 07:17 PM

#33461

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iron81

Cannot legally make Trump testify, he has 5th Amendment rights too.

Politically though a sitting president invoking the 5th would be political suicide though, right? Or just more "deeply troubled" looks from McCain and nothing else?

05-17-2017 , 07:20 PM

#33462

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Guess Rosenstein was pretty mad about Trump hanging him out to dry.

05-17-2017 , 07:25 PM

#33463

+rep_lol

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in other bombshell news that surprises exactly no one and is properly eclipsed by the 2 or 3 other massive stories out today, mar-a-lago isn't secure at all

http://gizmodo.com/any-half-decent-h...-we-1795276155

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This is “bad, very bad,” said Jeremiah Grossman, chief of Security Strategy for cybersecurity firm SentinelOne. “I’d assume the data is already stolen and systems compromised.”

05-17-2017 , 07:27 PM

#33464

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I thought normal DoJ practice was to not subpoena people who they know will take the 5th under the theory that it's unfair to humiliate them.

05-17-2017 , 07:28 PM

#33465

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lol at Trump ever taking the 5th.

05-17-2017 , 07:29 PM

#33466

kre8tive

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So how long before Mueller subpoenas DT tax returns and financials?

05-17-2017 , 07:30 PM

#33467

+rep_lol

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chalk this up as the first bit of optimism i've felt thus far- i have every bit of confidence in any investigation (particularly one involving corruption and financial dealings) headed up by robert mueller

especially after this whole firing of comey, i imagine mueller is none too pleased and this definitely seems like a big **** you from rosenstein

05-17-2017 , 07:32 PM

#33468

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

dude that's so 3 hours ago.

05-17-2017 , 07:33 PM

#33469

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Humm....

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Pence launched Great America Committee, a leadership PAC, a move that will enable him to channel money to congressional Republicans ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. The political action committee’s registration was posted Wednesday on the Federal Election Commission website.

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It’s unusual for vice presidents to set up their own fundraising vehicles. Neither Joseph Biden nor Dick Cheney, the two vice presidents who preceded Pence, had one while in office. It’s not entirely unprecedented, though: George H.W. Bush formed the Fund for America’s Future when he was preparing for his 1988 presidential run.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a..._medium=social

05-17-2017 , 07:33 PM

#33470

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Getting Trump under oath is the STONE COLD NUTS. Everyone knows this, including Trump. Despite any legal advice, his ego would never let him take the 5th. Executive privilege is out the window for anything he put in the public domain, which is LOTS so far, and we have time to go before any deposition. Trump thinks he's clever enough to beat anybody with his words. That hubris is the biggest danger to Republicans currently protecting him, especially those who are directly complicit.

05-17-2017 , 07:34 PM

#33471

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politi...hacked-russia/

Such easily disprovable garbage. No way for me to know if you are a dishonest traitor to your country like Einbert is saying but you sure post like one.

05-17-2017 , 07:36 PM

#33472

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Haha McMuffin don't care.

Quote:

Evan McMullin, who in his role as policy director to the House Republican Conference participated in the June 15 conversation, said: “It’s true that Majority Leader McCarthy said that he thought candidate Trump was on the Kremlin’s payroll. Speaker Ryan was concerned about that leaking.”

05-17-2017 , 07:36 PM

#33473

+rep_lol

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adios is def a ****posting traitor who deserves no deference

**** him and his whole crew

05-17-2017 , 07:39 PM

#33474

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Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

dude that's so 3 hours ago.

It truly is amazing. If we had a normal president, this story would probably be the biggest bombshell of the week. By the time this week is over, it might not even crack the top 20.