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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-30-2017 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
And of course LGBTQ rights matter. So does mocking a disabled reporter, fat shaming women, dissing a gold star family, etc., etc., etc. Why can't people see what this guy (and now his henchman) are doing?

Liberals are playing right into their hands and are too ****ing stupid to counter it. ONE THING AT A TIME! And don't move on until the last smoldering ash has been stomped and the fire is completely put out.

Bill Maher had a good bit on Friday. Something about how the Democrats went from being the party of the people, to the party of feelings. While liberals (like Fly and 5ive) were so busy calling Americans racist, sexist, you name it, about perceived offenses, a narcissistic madman talked his way into the White House! I couldn't agree more.

I get flamed and called a racist here constantly because I'll downplay one issue to shed light on another that is far MORE important to fight over. It's possible to care about more than one thing people! And while LGBTQ rights are incredibly important, blatant racist banning and religious tests are (I think) more of a threat to our democracy. So I hope we don't move on until we finish this fight to the death. This guy has liberals coming and going and our defense is spread so thin he's going to just walk it in for a TD. The prior TD was winning the presidency. Now it's quite possibly an all out dictatorship. Wake up and see that their strategy for taking over America is working and ours isn't!
You don't get to decide which issue is far MORE important.
01-30-2017 , 04:26 PM
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President Obama is heartened by the level of engagement taking place in communities around the country. In his final official speech as President, he spoke about the important role of citizens and how all Americans have a responsibility to be the guardians of our democracy — not just during an election but every day.

Citizens exercising their Constitutional right to assemble, organize and have their voices heard by their elected officials is exactly what we expect to see when American values are at stake.

With regard to comparisons to President Obama’s foreign policy decisions, as we’ve heard before, the President fundamentally disagrees with the notion of discriminating against individuals because of their faith.
Obama via spokesman
01-30-2017 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
With everything that has been speculated about the Trump - Putin - Rosneft - Exxon - Tillerson combo this ridiculously sketchy sale of a 19% stake should have every financial journalist in the world going HAM. Why isn't this getting more attention?

Rosneft is a traded company, Russia deliberately trying to mask who acquired a 19% stake in a €10b transaction should be a massive red flag and would get the attention of most regulators in the world (I'm going to guess Russia is one of the exceptions though).

I wonder if a deal of this size can happen without the information getting to someone who is willing to leak it. Will be interesting to see if we hear something about this.
How Russia sold its oil jewel: without saying who bought it
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Wed Jan 25, 2017

More than a month after Russia announced one of its biggest privatizations since the 1990s, selling a 19.5 percent stake in its giant oil company Rosneft, it still isn't possible to determine from public records the full identities of those who bought it. [...]

"The main question in relation to this transaction, as ever, still sounds like this: Who is the real buyer of a 19.5 percent stake in Rosneft?" Sergey Aleksashenko, a former deputy head of Russia's central bank, wrote in a blog last week. [...]
it won't leak because only top Russians know
01-30-2017 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
"We've got to keep this in proportion folks" - Sean Spicer



ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL RIGHTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THEN
And that's being very generous with the numbers used to compare.
01-30-2017 , 04:40 PM
How in the hell is it possible the press did not slam Spicer on his defense of Trumps statement that if they had announced the ban earlier people would have rushed into the country???

There is pretty much a 0% chance that a refugee gets through the screening process that quickly as all reports are it takes 12-24 months?

What in the world
01-30-2017 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
it won't leak because only top Russians know
Am fairly confident that a deal of this size needs some other people to be in the loop to move all the resources and shares around. Or at least enough in the loop that they know 99% what happened but don't have the "100% smoking gun".
01-30-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
How Russia sold its oil jewel: without saying who bought it


it won't leak because only top Russians know
everyone in this thread knows. The smoking gun is the problem.
01-30-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
He's giving hammerin hank a couple hours(?) to admit wrongdoing or give evidence. Seems reasonable.
LOL right. Hank says "Despite the Soros funded protests"

Wookie - "you have to show that the majority of the protests are funded by Soros"

Worse case he really just needs to show that Soros provided funding for more then 1 protest.
01-30-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
How Russia sold its oil jewel: without saying who bought it


it won't leak because only top Russians know
super cool article
The purpose of Russia's privatization program is to attract overseas money to cover a budgetary shortfall caused by low oil prices and Western sanctions. Putin has therefore banned Russian state-owned banks from participating in the financing of privatization deals, which would defeat the aim of bringing in foreign capital.

But public records in Singapore show that Russia's second-largest bank, state-controlled VTB, loaned the Singapore vehicle QHG Shares the full 10.2 billion euros that it paid to the Russian state last month to buy the stake.
well that was easy
01-30-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I don't doubt it, but I think a handful of Trumptards aren't worth worrying about very much. The mass arrests and police violence are going to dwarf anything done by pizzagaters and dudes with erectile dysfunction who blew half their early retirement on a loud motorcycle to compensate.
This, plus the endgame of:

Large peaceful protest -> Trump lackeys called to arms by either him on Twitter or his surrogates -> Trump lackeys inciting violence on protesters -> Widespread condemnation of violence after protesters post pics of themselves bloodied/beaten on social media -> Continued outrage/possible work strikes/business interruption and instability fueled by attitude of "**** this, gloves are off" among protesters et al -> Loss of key R support and all that comes with it -> Prezzy Pence

is one of the easiest ways everyone gets out of this alive. Maybe Trump would be dumb enough to try it. He probably is. But it's a losing move.
01-30-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You get one chance to either walk this post back or provide evidence that the majority of the protests are funded by Soros, or you can eat a ban for spreading anti-Semitic conspiracies.
Obviously I cannot prove that a majority of the protests are funded by Soros. Since you took this as my meaning, I withdraw the comment. I intended no anti-Semitism.
01-30-2017 , 04:46 PM
you cant even prove 1 protest is "funded by" soros, gtfo here
01-30-2017 , 04:47 PM
like how the **** would he do that anyway? he gonna cover people's travel expenses? hotel rooms? incidentals?

you're full of ****, you ****ing ****poster
01-30-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
If any Democrats vote to confirm, or fail to filibuster, I give up.
Four years is a long time. Even if the fantasy of the President being impeached happens, Pence will like the guy who is appointed too. Sooner or later the Dems are going to want something in the Senate and a deal will be made where they agree to confirm in exchange for it.
01-30-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
LOL right. Hank says "Despite the Soros funded protests"

Wookie - "you have to show that the majority of the protests are funded by Soros"

Worse case he really just needs to show that Soros provided funding for more then 1 protest.
Either he eats a ban, or makes a game saving post. Good luck finding proof of Soros conspiracy theories. This way no one can say Hank wasn't given time to set things right (someone could argue he doesn't deserve an opportunity to admit deviousness/wrongdoing), but I think this way is more thorough, and funnier. The potential troll has to take the stand, or be banned.
01-30-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Obviously I cannot prove that a majority of the protests are funded by Soros. Since you took this as my meaning, I withdraw the comment. I intended no anti-Semitism.
but you do believe a lot of these protestors are paid actors
01-30-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Am fairly confident that a deal of this size needs some other people to be in the loop to move all the resources and shares around. Or at least enough in the loop that they know 99% what happened but don't have the "100% smoking gun".
this depends. Sure, in a normal deal like this lots of people would know because it would be talked about and more efficient to pull more people in, but I'm confident that the money could be moved and the ownership transferred into shell companies with no more than a half dozen people having access if the primary concern was secrecy and not efficiency or timing. If the money is clean and the transaction legal it also doesn't matter if someone's assistant sees some paperwork or emails or fields a phone call. How many people were actually involved just depends on:

1. how many people they trust
2. how much of a priority speed was
3. how secretive they needed to be

Its not really harder from an operational standpoint to put $10B of shares into an account than it is $10MM.
01-30-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
This, plus the endgame of:

Large peaceful protest -> Trump lackeys called to arms by either him on Twitter or his surrogates -> Trump lackeys inciting violence on protesters -> Widespread condemnation of violence after protesters post pics of themselves bloodied/beaten on social media -> Continued outrage/possible work strikes/business interruption and instability fueled by attitude of "**** this, gloves are off" among protesters et al -> Loss of key R support and all that comes with it -> Prezzy Pence

is one of the easiest ways everyone gets out of this alive. Maybe Trump would be dumb enough to try it. He probably is. But it's a losing move.
The thing is that worked in the civil rights era with the Selma march and other events I might not be aware of. In today's media there would just be enough different takes on who instigated what and who committed what atrocities to confuse everybode and make it far more difficult to get the majority of Americans and especially Republicans to agree that Trump et. al. are to blame.
01-30-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Obviously I cannot prove that a majority of the protests are funded by Soros. Since you took this as my meaning, I withdraw the comment. I intended no anti-Semitism.
do you realize how deep in delusions you have to be to believe that massive protests around the country with millions of people are funded by one guy?

There are frickin protests in EUROPE over Trump for chrissakes
01-30-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Obviously I cannot prove that a majority of the protests are funded by Soros. Since you took this as my meaning, I withdraw the comment. I intended no anti-Semitism.
You better start trying to cite at least a few Soros led Trump protests.
01-30-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Four years is a long time. Even if the fantasy of the President being impeached happens, Pence will like the guy who is appointed too. Sooner or later the Dems are going to want something in the Senate and a deal will be made where they agree to confirm in exchange for it.
At which point the Rs will renege on whatever they were offering, having gotten what they wanted, playing the Ds for fools yet again.

I can't even conceive of what could be offered to that would be sufficient to confirm anyone Trump could bring forward, in any event.
01-30-2017 , 04:53 PM
Paid actors thing is 1) hilarious 2) a much better example of "WHY TRUMP WON!%%!@!" then liberals sipping lattes or whatever.

These guys will believe literally anything told to them by their masters. Trump won bc old people are addicted to fear, Fox News, and being exploited. Sad!
01-30-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
like how the **** would he do that anyway? he gonna cover people's travel expenses? hotel rooms? incidentals?

you're full of ****, you ****ing ****poster
Oh sure, Soros pays for the whole thing for just anybody who wants to show up, and the really amazing part is he somehow vets these people and makes sure none of them go to the press with proof that they're paid protesters.

I'm sure plenty of Trump supporters have been trying to get on the payroll to blow this thing wide open but ol' Georgey boy's too clever for them.
01-30-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Obviously I cannot prove that a majority of the protests are funded by Soros. Since you took this as my meaning, I withdraw the comment. I intended no anti-Semitism.
Yes, you did you blithering coward.
On Friday there was spontaneous protests in over 60 cities in the USA alone. Your president is deeply unpopular. His issues are deeply unpopular. Just like with those who opposed civil rights, you are on the wrong side of history. The only problem is we're 50 years past that and you still are against civil rights.
Every major Canadian and most European cities have had anti trump protests in the last two weeks. Amazing job by Soros.
01-30-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy
The thing is that worked in the civil rights era with the Selma march and other events I might not be aware of. In today's media there would just be enough different takes on who instigated what and who committed what atrocities to confuse everybode and make it far more difficult to get the majority of Americans and especially Republicans to agree that Trump et. al. are to blame.
Disagree. Consider the starting circumstances - everyone thinks the left is a bunch of hippies and pussies and wants to see Trumps people as tough guys. So even if the media tried to spin it, people would see through an old man biker gang showing up and beating on a bunch of yuppies. Not gonna be too hard to see who started it there. And again, you can't expect people to give up everything for DJT.

My uncle is a retired cop, 25 years on the force, proudly voted DJT, texted me teasing me for going to the women's march and asking me if I burned my bra. He thinks I am a "left wing nut job." But if I get my ass beat by some thug while peacefully protesting, he is going to pause. People have things they care about beyond politics, which most honestly see as just a game. Once violence is introduced it becomes a different story and would likely be a reality check for many.

It is wrong and unjust, but like Fly said, you can't come for the middle class white kids in USA. Kind of like how Trump's worst moment during the campaign was when he was perceived to have wronged white women, despite having already acted atrociously towards other demographics. The second the narrative goes from "look at all these pussies complaining about immigrants, don't they care about 'Murica?" to "holy ****, a white kid got killed for protesting the president" it's game, set, match politically.

Last edited by Paul McSwizzle; 01-30-2017 at 05:06 PM.

      
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