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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-16-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The main thing to realize is that because Trump could have conceivably saved the lives of 200 or so innocent airline passengers, they will forgive his technical error, especially given that others in the room said it was no big deal and that Israel is stating the same thing (whether they mean it or not.) To pile on at this point is bad strategy.
Look, I think piling on at this point isn't so much *bad* strategy in that the electorate is likely to give Trump the benefits of the doubt so much as it's unlikely the criticism will land hard because most people simply don't care.

But surely even half-wits can understand the idea that Trump could: 1) inform Russia or whoever else of ISIS plots to blow up airlines with laptops and 2) that doesn't require divulging intelligence assets (e.g., people, methods, how the detail was acquired). That's not complex.

I don't understand this line of reasoning. What Trump is accused of doing isn't so much hard to understand; my take is that people don't give a **** about the sanctity of foreign intelligence and so simply don't care. So I think Democrats are going to make it a struggle for people to *care* but not understand the mistake. Trump's mistake is trivial to understand -- presumably in his bluster and rush to impress the Russians, he revealed too much about how he knew what he knew. You seem to be arguing the criticism won't hurt Trump because people won't quite grasp the error but I don't think it's that hard to understand, even for morons. What your average idiot will struggle with is understanding why they should care that much about foreign intelligence assets.
05-16-2017 , 05:47 PM
Influential Conservative Blogger Says Trump's Leak "Far Worse" Than Reported

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

It does appear that the senior White House staff is at war with each other - which goes a long way toward explaining all the leaks from "anonymous sources" that are appearing in the Washington Post and the New York Times. Given this environment, and Trump's fragile ego, "Rogue WH staffer's" speculation that Trump is considering resignation might be true! A self absorbed narcissist like Trump can't handle being humiliated and the butt of jokes. This is probably the first time in his life he has been subjected to this kind of criticism - and he clearly doesn't like it. (He prefers having people kissing his hand and telling him how great he is ...)
05-16-2017 , 05:48 PM
Russia is an ally of Iran, enemy of Israel. Hope that helps with yet another reason why this is a big deal.
05-16-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Also, how ****ing stupid is Trump for firing Comey? All of this **** is coming out because of pissed off FBI people.

Massive LOLOLOL at the child Huckabee for saying countless FBI agents were happy Comey was fired.
Good luck to Trump and his team gutting the entire intelligence AND law enforcement agencies now.
05-16-2017 , 05:49 PM
"Mr. Comey created similar memos — including some that are classified — about every phone call and meeting he had with the president, the two people said. It is unclear whether Mr. Comey told the Justice Department about the conversation or his memos."

And then Trump threatens Comey after he fires him....
05-16-2017 , 05:50 PM
He and his team are seriously bigger idiots than James Buchanan and that's the quite the task.
05-16-2017 , 05:50 PM
Christ, it's only Tuesday
05-16-2017 , 05:51 PM
news might slowdown around the 20th, anddddd then the disastrous CBO score will come out telling his base theyre ****ed

*popcorn*

should be a good month
05-16-2017 , 05:53 PM
don't worry guys the republicans are now very super immensely concerned now.
05-16-2017 , 05:55 PM
Firing Comey was like taking your opponent's rook while leaving your queen vulnerable. Or putting in that big bet and getting pot committed while drawing dead. He gave em an inch. They're taking their foot.
05-16-2017 , 05:56 PM
Man, the Trump documentary is going to be good.

Here's the thing, Trump could have just pardoned Flynn down the road if necessary. Insted he'd rather go with obstruction of justice. Chris Christie is an idiot and a jerk, but at least he could have educated Trump a bit on how to deal with the fbi/doj.
05-16-2017 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
don't worry guys the republicans are now very super immensely concerned now.
Privately they are definitely concerned, don't believe the noise that every Republican is just along for the ride using Trump to get their legislation through especially those in the house.
05-16-2017 , 05:58 PM
05-16-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Firing Comey was like taking your opponent's rook while leaving your queen vulnerable. Or putting in that big bet and getting pot committed while drawing dead. He gave em an inch. They're taking their foot.
Trump literally only ever considers the immediate move. He never even thinks one move ahead. Isn't there something in poker called a dark tunnel bluff, where you make one or two bluffs and then have no idea where you are?
05-16-2017 , 05:59 PM
Christ, I go to the gym for an hour and this happens.

Trump is just one giant LOL after another.
05-16-2017 , 05:59 PM
Oh man, why does this stuff always have to drop close to midnight for me. HF railing this ****, see ya tomorrow.
05-16-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Chris Christie is an idiot and a jerk, but at least he could have educated Trump a bit on how to deal with the fbi/doj.
But then dumb Donnie doesn't get to humiliate him for the lulz. Priorities, man.
05-16-2017 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
don't worry guys the republicans are now very super immensely concerned now.
troubled by the troubling, not yet concerned
05-16-2017 , 06:03 PM
Without any proof I don't think much is gonna come from this actually.
05-16-2017 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
In fairness to McCain, he screwed over Trump and the GOP on rolling back Obama's rules on methane.
05-16-2017 , 06:04 PM
Contemporaneous notes are proof, which Comey well knows.
05-16-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Man, the Trump documentary is going to be good.

Here's the thing, Trump could have just pardoned Flynn down the road if necessary. Insted he'd rather go with obstruction of justice. Chris Christie is an idiot and a jerk, but at least he could have educated Trump a bit on how to deal with the fbi/doj.
Trump's Razor is that the dumbest possible explanation for Trump's behavior is inevitably the valid one.

I suspect Trump hasn't a clue as to what his available options are or were and doesn't know what obstruction of justice is and so just assumed the way to handle this was to ask Comey to stop meddling and fire him if he didn't stop meddling because he didn't know any better.
05-16-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Without any proof I don't think much is gonna come from this actually.
You think Comey doesn't have proof? There are certain Trumpkins who will believe whatever evidwnce is presented will be false anyways.
05-16-2017 , 06:07 PM
impeachment articles incoming....



https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/stat...00027800457216
05-16-2017 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Without any proof I don't think much is gonna come from this actually.
Apparently the notes are admissible in court. Comey must have known Trump was dumb enough to do something like fire him; so he left a paper trail.

      
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