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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-30-2017 , 03:55 PM
Good, fan the protests
01-30-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Like everyone is playing their hands face up here: the biker dudes follow Trump around to the GOP convention and inauguration expecting that if things go their way they'll promise to be peaceful; otherwise their 'roles might change.' And Trump applauds them for it.

Why are we doubting it might come to that?
Because we trust in life long bureaucrats to somehow wrest the power away from Trump once he gets too dangerous. These people don't exist, of course, but it's easier to believe than the idea that a dictator is just easily grabbing power while Congress sits idly by letting it happen.
01-30-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
Spicer thinks a white guy shooting up a mosque in Canada is why the US needs a Muslim ban.
seems like a great idea that shooting muslims will get muslims banned. that kind of incentives cant possibly go wrong.
01-30-2017 , 03:59 PM
I don't think Trump has as much control over the bikers and various militia nutbags. Like, he can give them a shoutout on Twitter, but in terms of running dirty tricks for him, I don't see that happening.

The disturbing thing is that CBP seems willing to flat out disobey the law for Trump, and the administration has no qualms about telling baldfaced lies. Who's to say he won't just invent disturbances that require federal riot police out of whole cloth?
01-30-2017 , 04:03 PM
Despite the Soros funded protests and media's attempt to make it appear that the "outrage" over the temporary ban on entry from seven countries has broad support from the American people, the opposite appears to be true.

Rasmussen Poll 57% support, 33% oppose

Too bad, so sad
01-30-2017 , 04:03 PM
01-30-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
This is why you lost. This is why your party controls nothing. This is why you have so miserably failed to help the people you supposedly care about.

Take the W, man! It is literally impossible for you to screw up this news cycle! But yeah, let's get all self-righteous about deleting Uber because...wait, what? I guess Uber was just supposed to take their service from JFK offline?
Take the win, fair enough.

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Let's look at the options here:

1) Take service from JFK offline, somehow, and if you're an Uber driver of modest means who just wants to make some money, or a traveler of modest means who just wants to get home to their family, **** you, get bent.

2) Turn off surge pricing to avoid the perception that you're profiting off people suffering, and also provide a de facto disincentive to drive additional service there, while allowing drivers to pick up there if they for whatever reason want to deal with all that chaos for the price of a regular ride.

3) Do nothing, leave surge pricing on, business as usual. Doing THIS would have driven MORE drivers to JFK! Do you know how supply and demand works? Jesus Christ.

4) Send out a missive ordering your NYC drivers to report to JFK immediately or be fired.

So, which option are SJW's all riled up about? Option 4, sure, that would deplorable. Option 3, I mean, the optics of that could be bad, but, I mean, that's how your business runs everywhere at all times, it's a free country, meh, whatever. But no, option 2, SCABS, OUTRAGERRRR!!!!

Dude. Evangelical leaders just came out in unison and opposed a Republican President. Republicans and moderate Democrats are having all kinds of difficult and unusual-for-them text and email and phone conversations right now that actually concern real social justice for marginalized people. This is the biggest narrative win for progressive politics maybe ever! Granted it sucks that it takes something like this for it to happen, but that's how progress is sometimes.

Dude, just go to Barbados with awval! Get out of the way! Just let these regular people talk amongst themselves about why this Trump EO is bad, and stop distracting them by yelling at them to delete Uber because you're trying to virtue-signal to the cool SJW kids about how you are totally onboard with this cool new band no one else has ever heard of or cares about.

If you were an NFL team, you'd be 0-16 right now. Your intentions don't matter, no one cares. You lost, you've been losing gradually for a long time now, you've been wrong about everything, you've been an abject failure. It seemed like you had been reflecting on this, but apparently that lasted about a week and now it's back to business as usual. Keep it up, I guess.
Wait a minute, a couple of paragraphs ago Fly's team was winning. Things change so fast within one post.

This is the part where you put forth ideas about what Fly's team should be doing differently.
01-30-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Not sure why Paul and zik are discounting Trump encouraging vigilante violence on his behalf. You guys know Trump has been encouraging 'Bikers For Trump' throughout, right?

One of the things I'm trying to cure myself of is the "oh, it won't come to that" mentality.

Trump the President has been surprisingly adept at being just as outrageous, chaotic, and incompetent he was when he was campaigning. He and his campaign have egged on and encouraged vigilante security and policing up to the point of his inauguration.

Why are we discounting this again? Obviously the majority of GOPers are a bunch of immobile geriatrics, but there still lots of people looking to crack some skulls and play pretend-Rambo out there. Let's stop assuming Trump won't deploy them, I mean he's obviously aware they're out there and they've proven willing vigilante soldiers.

Like everyone is playing their hands face up here: the biker dudes follow Trump around to the GOP convention and inauguration expecting that if things go their way they'll promise to be peaceful; otherwise their 'roles might change.' And Trump applauds them for it.

Why are we doubting it might come to that?
I don't doubt it, but I think a handful of Trumptards aren't worth worrying about very much. The mass arrests and police violence are going to dwarf anything done by pizzagaters and dudes with erectile dysfunction who blew half their early retirement on a loud motorcycle to compensate.
01-30-2017 , 04:07 PM
One thing that's been illuminating is how many of our vaunted checks and balances have turned out to be little more than gentlemen's agreements. What happens when a federal agency gets a court order and just says "lol, no?"
01-30-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Despite the Soros funded protests and media's attempt to make it appear that the "outrage" over the temporary ban on entry from seven countries has broad support from the American people, the opposite appears to be true.

Rasmussen Poll 57% support, 33% oppose

Too bad, so sad
Here's Rasmussen in a nutshell:



The massive pro-Trump outlier in opinion polls. I won't dismiss this poll entirely but I'll reserve judgement until seeing what other polling outfits say as well.
01-30-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Despite the Soros funded protests and media's attempt to make it appear that the "outrage" over the temporary ban on entry from seven countries has broad support from the American people, the opposite appears to be true.

Rasmussen Poll 57% support, 33% oppose

Too bad, so sad
i bet trump has managed to make it unpopular this past week.

also, i think (((soros))) is the way youre supposed to write it.
01-30-2017 , 04:10 PM
With everything that has been speculated about the Trump - Putin - Rosneft - Exxon - Tillerson combo this ridiculously sketchy sale of a 19% stake should have every financial journalist in the world going HAM. Why isn't this getting more attention?

Rosneft is a traded company, Russia deliberately trying to mask who acquired a 19% stake in a €10b transaction should be a massive red flag and would get the attention of most regulators in the world (I'm going to guess Russia is one of the exceptions though).

I wonder if a deal of this size can happen without the information getting to someone who is willing to leak it. Will be interesting to see if we hear something about this.
01-30-2017 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Despite the Soros funded protests and media's attempt to make it appear that the "outrage" over the temporary ban on entry from seven countries has broad support from the American people, the opposite appears to be true.

Rasmussen Poll 57% support, 33% oppose

Too bad, so sad
You get one chance to either walk this post back or provide evidence that the majority of the protests are funded by Soros, or you can eat a ban for spreading anti-Semitic conspiracies.
01-30-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bills217
This is why you lost.
TIL why Clinton lost... for the hundredth time.


The bit about Uber makes some sense to me, although I'm not an expert on Uber.
01-30-2017 , 04:14 PM
Oh god, Soros has got Wookie under his control as well.
01-30-2017 , 04:14 PM
I like when trump supporters think it is a game.
01-30-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Xander
Rumblings of a sweeping anti-LGBTQ order coming soon.
And of course LGBTQ rights matter. So does mocking a disabled reporter, fat shaming women, dissing a gold star family, etc., etc., etc. Why can't people see what this guy (and now his henchman) are doing?

Liberals are playing right into their hands and are too ****ing stupid to counter it. ONE THING AT A TIME! And don't move on until the last smoldering ash has been stomped and the fire is completely put out.

Bill Maher had a good bit on Friday. Something about how the Democrats went from being the party of the people, to the party of feelings. While liberals (like Fly and 5ive) were so busy calling Americans racist, sexist, you name it, about perceived offenses, a narcissistic madman talked his way into the White House! I couldn't agree more.

I get flamed and called a racist here constantly because I'll downplay one issue to shed light on another that is far MORE important to fight over. It's possible to care about more than one thing people! And while LGBTQ rights are incredibly important, blatant racist banning and religious tests are (I think) more of a threat to our democracy. So I hope we don't move on until we finish this fight to the death. This guy has liberals coming and going and our defense is spread so thin he's going to just walk it in for a TD. The prior TD was winning the presidency. Now it's quite possibly an all out dictatorship. Wake up and see that their strategy for taking over America is working and ours isn't!
01-30-2017 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
i bet trump has managed to make it unpopular this past week.

also, i think (((soros))) is the way youre supposed to write it.
Also, the poll hank cites was conducted Wednesday and Thursday. Trump's EO was issued Friday. But mostly, as goofy pointed out, lol Rasmussen also applies.
01-30-2017 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Oh god, Soros has got Wookie under his control as well.
He's giving hammerin hank a couple hours(?) to admit wrongdoing or give evidence. Seems reasonable.
01-30-2017 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I don't doubt it, but I think a handful of Trumptards aren't worth worrying about very much. The mass arrests and police violence are going to dwarf anything done by pizzagaters and dudes with erectile dysfunction who blew half their early retirement on a loud motorcycle to compensate.
That's because in the whole 1.5 weeks Trump has been President so far, he hasn't encouraged that kind of behavior yet. Give it time and you might be surprised how many angry violent Trumpkins there are just waiting for the signal that he tacitly or explicitly approves or that he's not going to have law enforcement slow them down. Something something we should all be concerned about the terribly and terrifyingly normal Trumpkins who might commit their crimes under circumstances that make it well-nigh impossible for them to know or to feel that they are doing wrong once Trump gives the signal, Hannah Arendt warned us about this, etc.
01-30-2017 , 04:20 PM
"We've got to keep this in proportion folks" - Sean Spicer



ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL RIGHTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THEN
01-30-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
He would have to ask Congress for funding, or he could fund it out of his own pocket.
At least it would only last as long as it took Trump to not pay them...

Last edited by kerowo; 01-30-2017 at 04:42 PM.
01-30-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
With everything that has been speculated about the Trump - Putin - Rosneft - Exxon - Tillerson combo this ridiculously sketchy sale of a 19% stake should have every financial journalist in the world going HAM. Why isn't this getting more attention?

Rosneft is a traded company, Russia deliberately trying to mask who acquired a 19% stake in a €10b transaction should be a massive red flag and would get the attention of most regulators in the world (I'm going to guess Russia is one of the exceptions though).

I wonder if a deal of this size can happen without the information getting to someone who is willing to leak it. Will be interesting to see if we hear something about this.
This is exactly what should be discussed in the media rather than the other stuff. Old people still hate russia. Let's show how trump is a russian agent (I mean if you haven't figured it out by now that trump made a deal with putin to conquer the whole world together as the end game goal I don't know what to tell you), that might actually flip some people. This other **** won't at all. It just deepens the opposition resolve more to defending trump.

also, spoiler alert, the guy who got it is trump.
01-30-2017 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
"Protect the homeland and it's people."


jfc
no way
01-30-2017 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
And of course LGBTQ rights matter. So does mocking a disabled reporter, fat shaming women, dissing a gold star family, etc., etc., etc. Why can't people see what this guy (and now his henchman) are doing?

Liberals are playing right into their hands and are too ****ing stupid to counter it. ONE THING AT A TIME! And don't move on until the last smoldering ash has been stomped and the fire is completely put out.

Bill Maher had a good bit on Friday. Something about how the Democrats went from being the party of the people, to the party of feelings. While liberals (like Fly and 5ive) were so busy calling Americans racist, sexist, you name it, about perceived offenses, a narcissistic madman talked his way into the White House! I couldn't agree more.

I get flamed and called a racist here constantly because I'll downplay one issue to shed light on another that is far MORE important to fight over. It's possible to care about more than one thing people! And while LGBTQ rights are incredibly important, blatant racist banning and religious tests are (I think) more of a threat to our democracy. So I hope we don't move on until we finish this fight to the death. This guy has liberals coming and going and our defense is spread so thin he's going to just walk it in for a TD. The prior TD was winning the presidency. Now it's quite possibly an all out dictatorship. Wake up and see that their strategy for taking over America is working and ours isn't!
Wtf should they have been doing instead? I bet you don't have a good answer.

      
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