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Originally Posted by adios
This is a good post and I think what you indicate here would be highly effective. Since TRUMP being the dufus that he is, the Dems are sure to have a better message and ideas. Where should they start? The TRUMP is an incompetent boob message (unqualified in more polite terms) was the HRC message. The Bernie message of a much more progressive tax system coupled with single payer health care coverage, more protectionist trade policies, free college tuition for all, etc. seemed to play pretty well with a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by einbert
adios:
We aren't gonna take advice from known fascists on how to advance the progressive movement. You really think we're stupid, don't you?
You should be wary about concern trolling and that's good. There's tons of right-winger concern trolls in the world and we should basically be telling them to **** off.
But adios's advice isn't bad? My answer to his question is: yes? Yeah, it's that in a nutshell. Democrats should be spitting hot fire about a far more progressive tax system, about single payer, about equitable trade policies, about free college tuition and less focus on the personal or even specific political failings of Trump.
All of Trump's failures should be tied directly to the GOP, be made part and parcel of the GOP, and the Democrats should be voicing what our alternatives are.
Unfortunately the wide panoply "good governance" issues (e.g., don't be a stooge for Russia, don't whimsically release classified information, don't tweet inchoate nonsense, don't be a racist idiot, don't fire non-partisan executives for scrutinizing you) are just far too esoteric and distant for most voters.
I don't think adios's advice is bad on the whole. I agree that the 'Trump is a wholly unqualified, out-of-bounds idiot' was more or less the 2016 message and simply didn't resonate. I wish it did, it's all frightfully accurate, but long term strategies and visions for Democratic ascendancy have to involve way more than that.
There's space for both but my jumping off point here was how quickly the Republicans pivoted on Trump's mistake from "didn't happen" to "actually it did, and it just shows how awesome Daddy the unitary executive is, he gets to decider, he's the decider" -- which, yeah, that's exactly what they did. The media is too ****ing hapless and can't keep up. Persuadable voters aren't going to be won over with Washington Post scoops but when the inevitable political gravity of GOP's policy proposals (gutting Medicare, ending Obamacare, giving government services) that effect people start to anger the masses and weigh the GOP down. Be the party that was there all along saying we told you so, here's how to do it differently. Bernie had the closest approximation to that.