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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-16-2017 , 11:24 AM
Just sitting back and saying the intel community will save us is a recipe for disaster
05-16-2017 , 11:26 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing from McMaster. This is "Dancing with the Stars" level tap-dancing that these staffers are having to do lately. Let's see if he can keep up.
05-16-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
This is a good post and I think what you indicate here would be highly effective. Since TRUMP being the dufus that he is, the Dems are sure to have a better message and ideas. Where should they start? The TRUMP is an incompetent boob message (unqualified in more polite terms) was the HRC message. The Bernie message of a much more progressive tax system coupled with single payer health care coverage, more protectionist trade policies, free college tuition for all, etc. seemed to play pretty well with a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by einbert
adios:

We aren't gonna take advice from known fascists on how to advance the progressive movement. You really think we're stupid, don't you?
You should be wary about concern trolling and that's good. There's tons of right-winger concern trolls in the world and we should basically be telling them to **** off.

But adios's advice isn't bad? My answer to his question is: yes? Yeah, it's that in a nutshell. Democrats should be spitting hot fire about a far more progressive tax system, about single payer, about equitable trade policies, about free college tuition and less focus on the personal or even specific political failings of Trump.

All of Trump's failures should be tied directly to the GOP, be made part and parcel of the GOP, and the Democrats should be voicing what our alternatives are.

Unfortunately the wide panoply "good governance" issues (e.g., don't be a stooge for Russia, don't whimsically release classified information, don't tweet inchoate nonsense, don't be a racist idiot, don't fire non-partisan executives for scrutinizing you) are just far too esoteric and distant for most voters.

I don't think adios's advice is bad on the whole. I agree that the 'Trump is a wholly unqualified, out-of-bounds idiot' was more or less the 2016 message and simply didn't resonate. I wish it did, it's all frightfully accurate, but long term strategies and visions for Democratic ascendancy have to involve way more than that.

There's space for both but my jumping off point here was how quickly the Republicans pivoted on Trump's mistake from "didn't happen" to "actually it did, and it just shows how awesome Daddy the unitary executive is, he gets to decider, he's the decider" -- which, yeah, that's exactly what they did. The media is too ****ing hapless and can't keep up. Persuadable voters aren't going to be won over with Washington Post scoops but when the inevitable political gravity of GOP's policy proposals (gutting Medicare, ending Obamacare, giving government services) that effect people start to anger the masses and weigh the GOP down. Be the party that was there all along saying we told you so, here's how to do it differently. Bernie had the closest approximation to that.
05-16-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Just the fact that Trump would tell the Russians classified information that he wouldn't and won't tell American citizens should be a little disconcerting to Trumpsters...shouldn't it?
There was news recently of a woman who's husband was deported and she was still hemming and hawing about saying voting for trump was a mistake on her part. Trump supporters ain't never gonna change their minds. Never.
05-16-2017 , 11:31 AM
McMaster briefing coming up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5i6...feature=em-lss
05-16-2017 , 11:32 AM
pretty disappointed no one has posted this in connection with Trump's tweets this morning

05-16-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
I'm looking forward to hearing from McMaster. This is "Dancing with the Stars" level tap-dancing that these staffers are having to do lately. Let's see if he can keep up.
Trump was born with a certain kind of mind and moves to quickly, so it is hard for them to keep up.
05-16-2017 , 11:34 AM
Our National Security adviser confirmed scumbag lying *******.
05-16-2017 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
B+ according to Nate

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Gallup got a B- for comparison's sake
cool. sick find mate. i always viewed PPP as credible but that poll result is so ****ing remarkable it made me wonder if it was too good to be true!
05-16-2017 , 11:47 AM

Last edited by fatkid; 05-16-2017 at 12:15 PM.
05-16-2017 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
Our National Security adviser confirmed scumbag lying *******.
Well to be fair the denial McMaster gave was in regards to things that weren't actually in the WP article.

It was actually a pretty good attempt at a head fake too, up until his own boss threw him under the bus.
05-16-2017 , 11:50 AM
WH

DENY AT ALL COSTS

Trump the next morning

yeah I did it and there's not a damn thing anyone's gonna do about it, GET THE LEAKERS.
05-16-2017 , 11:50 AM
Hilarious that Trump's team thinks anyone but his supporters care about his trip abroad especially given the news of the day.
05-16-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Before all this came about I had been reading that Trump was not really happy with McMasters. I suspect it is because he wanted to try and do his job and would not pledge his undying loyalty to Trump.

If that was the case I certainly see trunp using this scenario to push mcmasters out on a ledge to make him look bad. For some reason trump loves doing that, completely unaware that to sane people it makes him be seen as a horrendous leader. This stuff he regularly did in his business life as well.

Honestly we have to assume anyone who works for him now has a major personality disorder/defect. The fact not one person has resigned because of this **** show is pretty telling, in my opinion. The Whitehouse is like the Anti-USA Network , Character(s) not welcome.
I'm a pretty cynical guy but even I can't believe how much this administration is filled with complete and utter contemptible pieces of ****.
05-16-2017 , 11:53 AM
yeah why is the National Security Advisor needed to tell me what Trump plans to have for lunch?
05-16-2017 , 11:54 AM
Thank you for the jokes McMaster. Jfc. No one in that room should have laughed.

Also, did he just say Trump was going to hold a twitter forum? Doesn't he do that everyday.
05-16-2017 , 11:54 AM
Is McMaster still active duty military?
05-16-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
yeah why is the National Security Advisor needed to tell me what Trump plans to have for lunch?
It's to build up the appearance they are actually doing something.
05-16-2017 , 11:55 AM
LEAKS

LEAKS

LEAKS

THE REAL ISSUE

Spoiler:
LEAKS
05-16-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
Our National Security adviser confirmed scumbag lying *******.
McMaster was very careful to not lie, everyone was calling him out for his semantic technicality bull****.

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05-16-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
Thank you for the jokes McMaster. Jfc. No one in that room should have laughed.

Also, did he just say Trump was going to hold a twitter forum? Doesn't he do that everyday.
They are so dumb to think young people actually want to interact with Trump other than to rip him to shreds. Oblivious...
05-16-2017 , 11:57 AM
McNaster :

Totally normal to share classified information with Russia.

The big issue is leakers.
05-16-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Is McMaster still active duty military?
Pretty sure yes
05-16-2017 , 11:59 AM
If so then he's basically obligated to follow orders. So if Turnip orders him to lie he's likely going to either do it or resign.
05-16-2017 , 12:02 PM
Yeah he's lying through his teeth and dodging, just another clown

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