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This has already happened multiple times, including when we has jealous of Obama's dick size and ordered that Yemen raid without concrete intel and a Seal died.

Also an eight-year-old girl.

05-15-2017 , 05:53 PM

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Also an American eight-year-old girl.

Yes, and FYP with a very important edit

05-15-2017 , 05:56 PM

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Uhhhhh

A well-oiled machine.

05-15-2017 , 05:56 PM

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shes arab(AND PROBLY MUSLIM!) shes not considered american by republicans

05-15-2017 , 05:58 PM

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Yes, and FYP with a very important edit

Disagree that the edit is important. Even as a matter of optics, the people who care whether a dead eight-year-old girl was American or not aren't going to view her as a real American if she's an Arab.

05-15-2017 , 06:04 PM

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https://twitter.com/ericawerner/stat...36984667172864

05-15-2017 , 06:07 PM

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Eh just another Trump **** up, so we get to go to the now familiar ritual.

Trump Twitter: FAKE NEWS SAD! P.S. Russia deals with their black on black crime, what about American inner cities?! DISGRACE
Fox News: Hillary sold Russia uranium! Why aren't we talking about that?!
Paul Ryan: not going to comment on every reveal of classified information Trump does
Mitch McConnell: Trump still learning on the job, nothing will impede the GOP agenda
John McCain: deeply troubled
Democrats: John Hickenlooper will take the fight to ISIS *and* Russia
National Review editorial board: while it perhaps was a mistake to reveal classified information to Russia the unitary Republican executive is allowed to declassify anything he wants at his own whim and discretion

https://twitter.com/marykbruce/statu...36498840891392

05-15-2017 , 06:09 PM

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I can understand if someone isn't a fan of "they should be lined up and shot" or "I hope they have a family member lose insurance and die".

But what is wrong with "Donald Trump and Republicans just celebrated voting to let thousands of Americans die so that billionaires get tax breaks" or "The GOP Plan For Obamacare Could Kill More People Each Year Than Gun Homicides"?

The author probably wouldn't have a problem with it I imagine. As far as I can tell he wants to maintain the Senate decorum of a prohibition against imputing any personal animus on the part of political opponents. So what it comes down to is , in his mind, Republicans merely have a policy dispute with Democrats. There are a lot of liberal pundits that do that and do a good job of staying in the 'objective' lines by simply stating the effects of the bill or that Republicans voted for it without implying some kind of moral animus on the part of Republicans.

I'd say a few things about it though 1) he only has one sentence imploring Republicans about anything, namely that if they're upset about Democrats using the death card now where we're they during the ACA debate, and thats because he probably knows full well pitching Republicans about some kind of objective civility is a fool's errand. And 2)while you can be bombastic, a lot of this civility talk is just to rob the moral center behind these arguments. You see it with the National Review talking about having 'too much empathy' with the sick, Paul Ryan saying we need to bring back civility, etc. Basically the bill is morally heinous but God forbid anyone point that out, that would be indecorous, rather we need to talk about 'policy disagreements'.

05-15-2017 , 06:11 PM

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Tone Policing Only Goes One Way
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/

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The thing about tone policing that is so galling to liberals particularly is it only goes one way. Even while the tone police cluck their tongues and accuse “both sides” of lowering the level of discourse, the only examples they ever give a crap about are the ones—often straw examples, of course–coming from the left. We saw this in Ron Lindsay’s speech at CFI, where he devoted time to the apparently world-shaking phenonemon of college-age anonymous blog commenters abusing the concept of privilege in arguments with trolls, but gave nary a nod to denouncing the bad faith arguments, stalking, and harassment that characterize the anti-feminists in the “debate”. (I use the scare quotes, because as demonstrated in the comment section, feminist detractors whine endlessly about being “silenced”, but refuse to actually produce the killer anti-feminist arguments they claim to have that they devote years and years to defending from imaginary oppressors without ever articulating them.) I call it the Grandpa’s Making Racist Jokes Againg problem. Nine times out of 10, if someone is saying something horribly offensive, and someone else calls them out for it, everyone will turn on the person calling them out for it. You see this every time people get more up in arms because someone used the term “racist” or “sexist”, but not so much over the racist or sexist **** that caused the word to be articulated.

Basically, I think the problem is everyone knows that progressives are the good guys and reactionaries are the bad guys, and so the onus to take the high road is always and forever on progressives. The problem, of course, is the “high road” is a constantly shifting target. If you refrain from overt jokes about conservatives, the next thing you’re told is too far is sarcasm. If you cave into the intense pressure to stop using terms like “racist” and “sexist” accurately, as we’ve witnessed, even talking about the concept of privilege is considered a bridge too far. You begin to realize that speaking at all from the position of moral authority as a progressive is what is offensive, because you make people feel bad for, well, being bad people.

Indeed, the entire term “political correctness” relies on this unarticulated understanding that the only person who can ever be rude rendering judgment of the opinions of the other side is progressives. Conservatives ***** about liberals constantly, usually in much nastier fashions, but are pretty much never accused of trying to enforce their political correctness on liberals. Refraining from having an opinion about the other side’s opinions is strictly a moral obligation of the left in mainstream discourse.

This knee-jerk assumption that progressives are being rude for simply speaking, coupled with a permissive attitude towards overt nastiness from conservatives is all over Michael Kinsley’s piece in The New Republic where he complains that pro-gay marriage people are, to be blunt, partying too hard in the end zone. (Which they haven’t actually reached.) Sure, gays are being bashed and denied their rights in this country every day, but the real problem is that pro-gay people make anti-gay people feel bad for being bad people. He talks about Ben Carson, who is a homobigot who runs around on TV advocating that gay people be denied their basic human rights, and whose fear of having to face down the people who aren’t as awful as him caused him to withdraw from speaking at Johns Hopkins. Kinsley openly characterizes progressive discourse about conservative opinions as an affront to free speech rights.

But it was wrong for the university, once the invitation had been extended, to make Carson feel unwanted to the point of withdrawing. (In fact, it was wrong of Carson to let Hopkins off the hook in this way.) Behind the First Amendment is the notion that good ideas have a natural buoyancy that bad ideas do not. In fact, the very short (as these things go) debate about marriage equality demonstrates this. Denying Carson the right to speak was not just unprincipled. It was unnecessary. The proponents of marriage equality have not just won. They have routed the opposition. It’s a moment to be gracious, not vindictive.

It is worth noting that Carson routinely criticizes pro-gay people in ways that would probably make them feel uncomfortable speaking, say, in front of his church’s congregation. But only one kind of criticism of ideas is an assault on “free speech”: Liberals criticizing conservative ideas. Conservative ideas are so delicate that to criticize them is the same thing as banning them from being uttered allowed, and the fact that Carson seems to be able to go on TV routinely and share his point of view shouldn’t distract us from the fact that it’s a big meanie-head meanie thing to do to point out that the wrong people are wrong. Needless to say, his claim that pro-gay people have won is ludcrious in a country where anti-marriage states outnumber pro-marriage ones.

Tom Scocca said it best:

It is a little odd that a person who has spent his career disagreeing with other people’s ideas in print (and, for a while, arguing with other people on television) should be confused about the difference between the “right to speak” and the right to speak without being criticized, the latter of which is what the jackbooted Gay Thought Police were actually denying Carson. How do good ideas float up above bad ideas, in Kinsley’s formulation, if not through people speaking in favor of the good and against the bad?

He then points to gay people who have been murdered and beat up in just this month alone as contrast. Those are actual assaults on your right to exist, much less speak. Being too embarrassed about what an ******* you are to speak up amongst people who see you for what you are is not actually an assault on your freedom of speech. Liberals don’t owe it to conservatives to feign approval of their ideas. But Kinsley is completely up in arms about liberals supposed denial of conservatives their sacred right to be complete dickheads without anyone arguing back. Of course he is! That double standard is shot through our society, so much a part of the water that various people have complete meltdowns the first time anyone challenges it.

05-15-2017 , 06:11 PM

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Can't stay
Inactive
After this. Can we?

05-15-2017 , 06:12 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...o-morning-joe/

Will this make her disappear for good?

05-15-2017 , 06:12 PM

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05-15-2017 , 06:12 PM

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It seems the more violent the policy, the more the Republicans feel the need to tone-police. We saw it come out a lot with Voter ID debates, but with RepubliCare we've reached massive peak tone policing (so far).

05-15-2017 , 06:14 PM

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What does he need national security secrets for himself? Single page bullet lists are easiest to translate and hand over.

True, but that was also in reference to the NATO stuff and trump learning that Africa is a continent and not a country.

p.s. Ahhahah but he might try to leak that too. "Hey guys, did you know about Africa," trump whispers nervously yet authoritatively.

05-15-2017 , 06:15 PM

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Also an eight-year-old girl.

background? link?

05-15-2017 , 06:15 PM

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Trey Gowdy just removed his name from the list of possible FBI directors.

05-15-2017 , 06:15 PM

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Conway or Spicer will get chucked, and everyone will forget about Trump giving away top intelligence secrets to the Russians.

05-15-2017 , 06:15 PM

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https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/stat...98307972767744

05-15-2017 , 06:17 PM

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True, but that was also in reference to the NATO stuff and trump learning that Africa is a continent and not a country.

He's definitely getting better at his job every day. The only problem? We don't know the job description.

05-15-2017 , 06:18 PM

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Tone Policing Only Goes One Way
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/

The right just wants everyone to sit in respectful silence while they rightwingsplain black indolence and violent Muslims and big government fascism and uppity feminists and don't make them feel bad about it. Just sit quietly.

It's not that hard of a concept to understand. Shut up while they explain their dumbass theories about the world that justify their hateful idiocy, don't harsh their buzz, the end.

05-15-2017 , 06:21 PM

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North Korea will get nuked, and everyone will forget about Trump giving away top intelligence secrets to the Russians.

05-15-2017 , 06:30 PM

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He's gonna love the NATO summit because they are gonna make it sound like changes were made for him, which he will then get to brag about and his supporters will lap up

Huge boost to his N ego and helps give him more "credibility" as he is "making good things happen"

05-15-2017 , 06:32 PM

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lol at this Fox anchor trying to put a positive spin on this ****

05-15-2017 , 06:35 PM

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on cnn they said some senator just said this is a slap in the face of the intel community. lol trump hates the intel community how much more obvious does it need to get?

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