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05-15-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I remember a 60 Minutes piece on this at the time. She basically decided she wanted to it while she still had her faculties.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/in...orkian_an.html
Alzheimer's is one thing, but with dementia I'd probably just rather take my chances. Having some lucid moments mixed in with the fog of dementia would to me be far better than not having any moments at all.

Having a stroke is the really scary thing though. Being a total prisoner inside your own body is a terrifying thought.
05-15-2017 , 11:38 AM
Not familiar with the source, but from the name I assume its right wing, and the more the right gets disillusioned with this administration the more hope we have for stopping the madness.

https://www.theamericanconservative....ckless-saudis/

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Selling More Weapons to the Reckless Saudis

As Trump prepares to go to Saudi Arabia on his first foreign trip, the U.S. is gearing up to sell the Saudis a lot more weapons:

The U.S. and Saudi Arabia are working on a package of arms deals and financial investments aimed at elevating economic and security cooperation between Washington and Riyadh after several years of strained relations over the U.S. diplomatic outreach to Iran.

The potential agreements, coupled with Mr. Trump’s scheduled arrival in Saudi Arabia this week or his first stop outside the U.S. since taking office, include a missile-defense system and heavy arms the Obama administration either refused to sell Saudi Arabia or pulled back from amid concerns about Riyadh’s role in the conflict in Yemen, according to U.S. and Saudi officials.

According to a separate Reuters report, the arms deals are estimated to be worth at least $100 billion, and when all is said and done may be worth more than $300 billion. Obama held the previous record for offering arms sales to the Saudis with more than $115 billion over eight years, but if these estimates are correct Trump will soon surpass him and become the top Saudi enabler of all time. Offering these deals represents the Trump administration’s endorsement of the Saudis and their recent behavior, and it will certainly be interpreted as a green light from Washington to keep doing what they’ve been doing to Yemen. Taken together with Trump’s visit to Riyadh, these arms sales send the worst possible message and deepen U.S. complicity in the Saudi-led war at a time when the U.S. needs to be extricating itself from it.

Lavishing Riyadh with new weapons raises some basic questions. 1) Why should a government that has been actively destabilizing the region be rewarded with the means to do more of the same? 2) What U.S. foreign policy objective is served by throwing more weapons at an evidently incompetent Saudi military? 3) What benefit does the U.S. get from having a stronger relationship with a reckless client that routinely commits war crimes? 4) Since the Saudi-led war on Yemen has strengthened Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and AQAP has occasionally fought alongside coalition-backed forces, how does continuing to back the Saudis’ war make the U.S. more secure?
05-15-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
not so fast my friend



http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/politi....html?adkey=bn

This is the same bunch that struck down part of the Voting Rights Act, Roberts seems a little MAD that he wasn't able to further **** over minority voters.
Well one of the four had to side with the liberals in denying cert, and it was almost definitely Roberts not only because he is the least conservative, but also because he wrote the opinion denying it.
05-15-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kre8tive
Not familiar with the source, but from the name I assume its right wing, and the more the right gets disillusioned with this administration the more hope we have for stopping the madness.

https://www.theamericanconservative....ckless-saudis/
Didn't realize until now that Trump's first foreign visit will be Saudi Arabia. Got curious and saw that his 2nd will be Israel and his 3rd will be the Vatican.

Did someone tell him a religious joke or something recently?
05-15-2017 , 11:59 AM
Not sure how people don't see how the quid pro quo between KSA and US benefit each other. KSA does all of US's dirty work in Yemen and avoids condemnation for human rights violations while our government keeps busy with Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.
05-15-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Alzheimer's is one thing, but with dementia I'd probably just rather take my chances. Having some lucid moments mixed in with the fog of dementia would to me be far better than not having any moments at all.

Having a stroke is the really scary thing though. Being a total prisoner inside your own body is a terrifying thought.
My uncle was showing early stage dementia, but just had some kind of heart surgery and is apparently doing a lot better now. So yeah - dementia would be iffy.

I'm going to build a robot that will ask me to name family members by picture every morning. If I score less than 5 out of 10 it will kill me. What could go wrong?
05-15-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
What about lowering the corporate tax rate? That is real money to business owners, large & small.
Lew, serious question: where exactly do you think tax money goes? Like after the government collects it and then does stuff with it, what happens then?
05-15-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Lew, serious question: where exactly do you think tax money goes? Like after the government collects it and then does stuff with it, what happens then?
05-15-2017 , 12:08 PM
Roberts does a good job doing a lot of salient crap to appease right wingers while quietly acting sane. It's really hard to be well educated and have a shred of dignity and side with *******s like Alito on issues like "not letting the government be super ****ing racist about fundamental rights."
05-15-2017 , 12:14 PM
05-15-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Roberts does a good job doing a lot of salient crap to appease right wingers while quietly acting sane. It's really hard to be well educated and have a shred of dignity and side with *******s like Alito on issues like "not letting the government be super ****ing racist about fundamental rights."
Honestly, he's a super ****ing smart dude who knows that people will talk about "The Roberts Court" in a certain way 100 years from now. He doesn't want that discussion to be negative.
05-15-2017 , 12:22 PM
This is not a crisis, Republicans say as a large spider slowly devours them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.077de5846fbd
05-15-2017 , 12:24 PM
Trump gonna let the Clapper stuff slide?
05-15-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Highly suggest reading up on Art Pope (there was a great New Yorker article a few years back) and how he basically came into NC and completely changed the state to a Republican stronghold, at least at the legislative level.
05-15-2017 , 12:25 PM
Trumps hair is just blowing in the wind like a ratty flag on a flag pole. I hope people publish photos of his bald head, that will get him worked up

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05-15-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
--Stolen Supreme Court seat
--Stolen elections through voter suppression
--Using the investigatory power of Congress for purely partisan purposes
--Refusing to release Trump's tax returns to the public (GOP can do this through Congress)
--Refusing to stand up and disavow Trump
--Allowing Sessions to remain as A.G. even after we know he lied in confirmation hearings
--Allowing multiple other cabinet members to get through after they lied in confirmation hearings either in written or in verbal testimony

Face it, the GOP has been headed down this authoritarian road for awhile now. It's not just Trump. It's the entire party.
Hey, finally we agree on something! You forgot to mention the blatant racist 8 year long obstructionism because of a black president. If Obama came up with a cure for world hunger the republicans would've fought that every step of the way too and would now be trying to repeal it if it succeeded. Can't have something good contributing to the legacy of a BLACK president!

As bad as that whole list is, the stolen supreme court seat and voter suppression were the most egregious acts of moral bankruptcy, imo. But don't make the mistake of letting the Dems off so easy. While they definitely occupy much more space of the moral high ground, they are also corrupt to the hilt. And it's worth noting that their approval ratings aren't the best right now either. HRC was a lying, conniving POS who just happened to be light years better than the alternative Trump. 2018 is a key year imo. We either continue voting for run of the mill Dems (which will solve nothing) or we need to find true progressives to run and fill every seat possible including the most local levels.
05-15-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Hey, finally we agree on something! You forgot to mention the blatant racist 8 year long obstructionism because of a black president. If Obama came up with a cure for world hunger the republicans would've fought that every step of the way too and would now be trying to repeal it if it succeeded. Can't have something good contributing to the legacy of a BLACK president!

As bad as that whole list is, the stolen supreme court seat and voter suppression were the most egregious acts of moral bankruptcy, imo. But don't make the mistake of letting the Dems off so easy. While they definitely occupy much more space of the moral high ground, they are also corrupt to the hilt. And it's worth noting that their approval ratings aren't the best right now either. HRC was a lying, conniving POS who just happened to be light years better than the alternative Trump. 2018 is a key year imo. We either continue voting for run of the mill Dems (which will solve nothing) or we need to find true progressives to run and fill every seat possible including the most local levels.
It starts at the local level. You and I and each poster on this board have our individual preferences and ideals for the way things should be. But the biggest way we can effect change is by attacking the local level directly. There's no rule that says you can't go after a Democratic Rep. or Senator if you think they aren't serving We the People. Focus your actions on the area you live. If you live in a highly conservative area, just getting a moderate democrat elected could be a huge victory. If you live in a more progressive area, push for ballot referendums like statewide universal healthcare, statewide universal college, higher minimum wage on the state level, etc.
05-15-2017 , 12:52 PM
Hawaii v. Trump on the Muslim Ban right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7IJARo-6iI
05-15-2017 , 12:52 PM
Chinese say Trump is biggest selling point in Kushner investment

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05-15-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Honestly, he's a super ****ing smart dude who knows that people will talk about "The Roberts Court" in a certain way 100 years from now. He doesn't want that discussion to be negative.
"The way to end racism is to stop discriminating on the basis of race" as a reason to gut the VRA is gonna be incredulously quoted 100 years from now. It might be the only thing anyone other than legal scholars read about in connection with him. Dude is standing proudly on the side of white supremacy.
05-15-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
oh god DIB is here. somebody pls go get the antiviral cocktail for this thread. who let him out of unchained?
Rude.
05-15-2017 , 01:06 PM
The lawyer for Hawaii just quoted Trump as saying "he's going to help the Christians big league." lmao
05-15-2017 , 01:08 PM
Here' an opinion piece that asks Democrats to ignore logic in the name of civility

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It was a Republican, Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who told senior citizens back in 2009 that if the Affordable Care Act passed, “you’re going to die soon.” It was Representative Michele Bachmann, another Republican, who railed on the House floor that Obamacare “literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens.” It was Sarah Palin, a GOP governor and vice-presidential nominee, who warned that under the ACA, the sick and the elderly would “have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘Death Panel’” and have bureaucrats decide if they live or die.

If, as a liberal, you were disgusted when Republicans resorted to such toxic arguments then, you should be horrified to hear your fellow liberals resort to them now. Conversely, if you’re a mainstream conservative sickened at the way Democrats now play the “death” card, did you have the same objection when the GOP was doing so during the Obama years?

There were legitimate arguments to be made for and against enacting Obamacare; there are legitimate arguments to be made for and against replacing it. There are decent ways to argue that a given bill may have grave unintended consequences.

But it is wholly illegitimate and indecent to portray those who disagree with your view as eager champions of death and suffering. It is vile beyond words to avidly wish for them to be “lined up and shot” or to “be tortured” by the death of loved ones. Such fury should be deployed against the real monsters who threaten us — not against fellow Americans guilty of only a different political outlook. If we have forgotten how to tell the difference, we are in bigger trouble than we know.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...jpJ/story.html
05-15-2017 , 01:09 PM
I feel like there's gonna be a lot of really productive dialogue in the concentration camps we eventually dialogue ourselves into.

      
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