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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-15-2017 , 06:28 AM
Jules is still hating on taxes despite multiple people describing their benefits.

What a petulant child.
05-15-2017 , 06:33 AM
I'd get that particular question right, but I'd mess up a bunch of Africa and eastern Europe. Obv, geography is hugely important for the politics of a nation, but for most Muricans, knowing that stuff is functionally useless.
05-15-2017 , 07:53 AM
05-15-2017 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
His supporters have little to do with it anymore. What's cringe worthy is that he's omnipotent because morally bankrupt republicans are willing to look the other way while our country and its sacred institutions get ripped apart and flushed down the drain.

So stop blaming Trump supporters. Stop blaming other libs who might not agree with you on everything. And stop even blaming Trump who is nothing but a symptom of a political system that has been failing us for years. And start holding these slime bag scum of the earth politicians (both DEM and GOP) accountable before our 3 branches of government; the executive, legislative, and judicial are reduced to cinders are still somewhat intact, but I fear hanging by a thread.

Btw- When I say "you" I don't mean you personally, but all the intolerant libtards around here.
It makes you wonder how much of the moral bankruptcy is forced or situational. In other words, how many of these Republicans were either 1) involved with what Trump is illegally doing, 2) accidentally made accessories by something he said or did to put them in a corner, or 3) being threatened or blackmailed, or any number of nefarious things we're only seeing buts and pieces of. Trump has shown us lots of jaw dropping actions he's willing to take to get his way.

I'm one of the last people to make excuses for GOP. Just saying that we're unsure what is happening behind the scenes because we just don't know anymore with Trump. He's gone beyond unprecedented in so many ways and has always shown a lack of contempt for his own behavior. He also has given zero indication of letting up. Not only that, but he's actively trolling the country with an "I'm President and I can do WTF I want" attitude in public. Then he discredits, attacks, investigates, etc. anybody who dares criticize him for it, as long as 24 hours in a day allows.

The same goes for the appointed staff around him. They're ok with the horrible reputation they've been getting, to the extent that most haven't resigned on their own. Maybe it's because they're all *******s too, or maybe it's something listed above. Then you have Fox and other conservative media throwing weight behind whatever he does. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Ranting and complaining aside, the dangers of this whole administration are real. We're at crisis point in the government without any major negative events. Impending doom lurks around many foreign and domestic corners, and its cause is directly at the top. Trump supporters are key because there doesn't seem to be any legal recourse. Flipping those people is one of the only hopes left to restricting his power and returning the country to a place where we can begin to address the GOP problems in your post.

I'm just sick of Republican apologists acting like there's nothing wrong, when everything is straight up backwards. We are in an environment (IN 2017!) where words hardly matter anymore. This isn't opinionated. It's FACTUAL. **** partisan issues. They're barely being discussed lately. Bottom line, the only people who shouldn't have a huge problem with what's going on are those in favor of trading democracy for authoritarian rule. No way that's 39% of the country. I doubt it's even 5%.
05-15-2017 , 08:02 AM


Can a journalist follow up with Trump about this please?
05-15-2017 , 08:33 AM
oh god DIB is here. somebody pls go get the antiviral cocktail for this thread. who let him out of unchained?
05-15-2017 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Where are you tax returns, President Donald Trump?

#hypocrite
05-15-2017 , 08:41 AM
Somebody needs to get MSM to do a report on the 25% gov't data deletion and census manipulation and whatever else is happening along those lines. I'm furious thinking about how much of the country's time/energy/money/people/equipment he wastes making himself look better and taking revenge. Rewriting history for those ends is criminal.

It says a lot that after wasting all those resources it's not even helping him out. To steal another of Trump's Obamaisms, he could go the beach for 4 years and we'd be in so much better shape.
05-15-2017 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MadTiger
Where are you tax returns, President Donald Trump?

#hypocrite
Visitor logs at both White Houses. Possibly canceling press briefings.

Transparency!
05-15-2017 , 08:48 AM
When awful humans like ann coulter begin to turn away, its time to walk yourself into a Forrest a set your Orange self on fire...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/14/an...rs-were-right/
05-15-2017 , 08:54 AM
If your curious how Trump comes up with his policy..

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More recently, when four economists who advised Trump during the campaign — Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Arthur Laffer and Stephen Moore — wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “now is the time to move it forward with urgency,” someone in the White House flagged the piece for the president.

Trump summoned staff to talk about it. His message: Make this the tax plan, according to one White House official present.

The op-ed came out on a Wednesday. By Friday, Trump was telling the Associated Press, “I shouldn’t tell you this, but we’re going to be announcing, probably on Wednesday, tax reform,” startling his own aides who had not yet prepared such a plan. Sure enough, the next Wednesday Trump’s economic team was rolling out a tax plan that echoed the op-ed.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ke-news-238379
05-15-2017 , 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Our House
Bottom line, the only people who shouldn't have a huge problem with what's going on are those in favor of trading democracy for authoritarian rule. No way that's 39% of the country. I doubt it's even 5%.
I'd be willing to make a small wager that if Gallup or someone reputable polled the dip****s who still support Trump and asked them if they would support making Trump president for life you'd get way more than 5% in favor
05-15-2017 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre


https://mobile.twitter.com/DPRK_News...09062496837632
I've been reading palmer report mostly for yuks but finally unfollowed after that OMGZ GRAND JURY nonsense. They even had Ed Markey quoting it. Fake news doesn't help our cause at all.
05-15-2017 , 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Our House
It makes you wonder how much of the moral bankruptcy is forced or situational. In other words, how many of these Republicans were either 1) involved with what Trump is illegally doing, 2) accidentally made accessories by something he said or did to put them in a corner, or 3) being threatened or blackmailed, or any number of nefarious things we're only seeing buts and pieces of. Trump has shown us lots of jaw dropping actions he's willing to take to get his way.

I'm one of the last people to make excuses for GOP. Just saying that we're unsure what is happening behind the scenes because we just don't know anymore with Trump. He's gone beyond unprecedented in so many ways and has always shown a lack of contempt for his own behavior. He also has given zero indication of letting up. Not only that, but he's actively trolling the country with an "I'm President and I can do WTF I want" attitude in public. Then he discredits, attacks, investigates, etc. anybody who dares criticize him for it, as long as 24 hours in a day allows.

The same goes for the appointed staff around him. They're ok with the horrible reputation they've been getting, to the extent that most haven't resigned on their own. Maybe it's because they're all *******s too, or maybe it's something listed above. Then you have Fox and other conservative media throwing weight behind whatever he does. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Ranting and complaining aside, the dangers of this whole administration are real. We're at crisis point in the government without any major negative events. Impending doom lurks around many foreign and domestic corners, and its cause is directly at the top. Trump supporters are key because there doesn't seem to be any legal recourse. Flipping those people is one of the only hopes left to restricting his power and returning the country to a place where we can begin to address the GOP problems in your post.

I'm just sick of Republican apologists acting like there's nothing wrong, when everything is straight up backwards. We are in an environment (IN 2017!) where words hardly matter anymore. This isn't opinionated. It's FACTUAL. **** partisan issues. They're barely being discussed lately. Bottom line, the only people who shouldn't have a huge problem with what's going on are those in favor of trading democracy for authoritarian rule. No way that's 39% of the country. I doubt it's even 5%.
--Stolen Supreme Court seat
--Stolen elections through voter suppression
--Using the investigatory power of Congress for purely partisan purposes
--Refusing to release Trump's tax returns to the public (GOP can do this through Congress)
--Refusing to stand up and disavow Trump
--Allowing Sessions to remain as A.G. even after we know he lied in confirmation hearings
--Allowing multiple other cabinet members to get through after they lied in confirmation hearings either in written or in verbal testimony

Face it, the GOP has been headed down this authoritarian road for awhile now. It's not just Trump. It's the entire party.
05-15-2017 , 09:08 AM
And it's not like they are shy about these things. They pushed the stolen Supreme Court seat as the main reason for conservatives to hold their nose and vote Trump, for chrissakes.
05-15-2017 , 09:31 AM
Exhibit Z:

GOP lawmaker targets New Jersey activist by sending letter to her boss — and she resigns under pressure
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/woma...ibUzMk.twitter
05-15-2017 , 09:54 AM
The issues with congress have been building up over decades and have needed to be addressed. This is another reason why people who voted for Trump are loltastic when it comes to fixing D.C. and draining the swamp. Trump has offered up a perfect shield for them to push their horribleness to new extremes. Was a horrible/ignorant calculation on behalf of Trump voters.

The simplistic and poorly informed US citizen perspective has always put too much weight on the presidency. Meanwhile most of the issues people have with the federal government come directly from both sides of the aisle in congress. At a time with congress approvals at an all time low and republicans having become strict obstructionists to everything including the beneficial things the federal government can do, the American people gave congress an Iron Man Suit with Trump.

That being said even though most Americans over emphasize the importance of the presidency, overall, this does not excuse making the worst possible choice like we did this last time. As others have said much better than me, though, real change starts at the local level. Impacting change at the local level, in your state congress, state governor and then federal representation. This is the work that is going to make a real difference but it most likely won't happen magically overnight. That is why people need to accept the responsibility for being informed and voting properly in each and every election and NEVER concede their vote as wasted or as being a throw away.
05-15-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
congress approvals at an all time low
"Congress sucks, but my representative is good."

- The vast majority of Americans
05-15-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
If your curious how Trump comes up with his policy..



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ke-news-238379
You're burying the lead on that IMO. The whole story is amazing and worth reading.

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The president rarely surfs the web on his own, but his staff have made a habit of slipping news stories on to his desk—including the occasional internet hoax.
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White House chief of staff Reince Priebus issued a stern warning at a recent senior staff meeting: Quit trying to secretly slip stuff to President Trump.

Just days earlier, K.T. McFarland, the deputy national security adviser, had given Trump a printout of two Time magazine covers. One, supposedly from the 1970s, warned of a coming ice age; the other, from 2008, about surviving global warming, according to four White House officials familiar with the matter.

Trump quickly got lathered up about the media’s hypocrisy. But there was a problem. The 1970s cover was fake, part of an Internet hoax that’s circulated for years. Staff chased down the truth and intervened before Trump tweeted or talked publicly about it.
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When Trump bellows about this or that story, his aides often scramble in a game of cat-and-mouse to figure out who alerted the president to the piece in the first place given that he rarely browses the Internet on his own. Some in the White House describe getting angry calls from the president and then hustling over to Trump’s personal secretary, Madeleine Westerhout, to ferret who exactly had just paid a visit to the Oval Office and possibly set Trump off.
05-15-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
If your curious how Trump comes up with his policy..



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ke-news-238379
This kind of stuff outlines that Trump has no trusted advisors. Not even his own daughter. Nobody on his staff has the abillty to sit him down and give him straight talk when he goes crazy. Trump is easily influenced by others but only randomly and haphazardly and can turn harshly on the same person the next day.

I think this is the exact same way he has run his licensing business forever. He has never had even one of those people who he consistently respected and sought their council. Yet at any given moment he can make policy based on what the guy who shined his shoes that morning told him.
05-15-2017 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
I'd be willing to make a small wager that if Gallup or someone reputable polled the dip****s who still support Trump and asked them if they would support making Trump president for life you'd get way more than 5% in favor
yup. way more than 5%.
05-15-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Sighsalot
When awful humans like ann coulter begin to turn away, its time to walk yourself into a Forrest a set your Orange self on fire...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/14/an...rs-were-right/
She is the worst. She labels herself a single issue voter, with that single issue being she is a racist. Plus she says she had no choice but to support trump because he said the right things.

Man she is not bright.
05-15-2017 , 10:19 AM
SCOTUS not hearing the case about NC's racist voter law, leaving in place the 4th Circuit's ruling striking the law down, is yuuge and good news.

I assume Kennedy and Roberts sided with the liberals.

**** off Gorsuch.
05-15-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
The weirdest bit about that "find north korea" thing is every age range polled had 35%+ get it right except for 45-54 year olds, who scored 25%. Defend your generation, suzzer.

1/3 getting it right is about what I would have guessed, btw. Australians would do slightly better because we are in the Asian region, but I'd still expect sub 50%.
I don't defend those people. I just turned 48 and I'm immature for my age.
05-15-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by champstark
SCOTUS not hearing the case about NC's racist voter law, leaving in place the 4th Circuit's ruling striking the law down, is yuuge and good news.

I assume Kennedy and Roberts sided with the liberals.

**** off Gorsuch.
not so fast my friend

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The North Carolina General Assembly had urged the court to review a lower court decision that held the law targeted "African-Americans with almost surgical precision." The Supreme Court declined to weigh in, but Chief Justice John Roberts wrote separately to stress that the denial should not be read as an endorsement of the lower court's decision.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/politi....html?adkey=bn

This is the same bunch that struck down part of the Voting Rights Act, Roberts seems a little MAD that he wasn't able to further **** over minority voters.

      
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