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05-14-2017 , 11:35 PM


Wait, did I get him? Is this all over?

(checks earpiece)

No, I didn't? Nothing matters? Absolutely nothing matters anymore? Ok.
05-14-2017 , 11:40 PM
lol
05-14-2017 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
What does any vote out of 65 million or so accomplish? I guess if I voted for Hilary I could be as smug and as self satisfied as your are, maybe I'll try it next time.
Do you not understand that if everyone didn't come up with these justifications for their bad voting that collectively it would have a huge impact on who gets into office?

But as long as people twist themselves into knots denying reality and failing to actually make a tough choice and vote properly, yeah it all can seem meaningless. However YOU should have gage intelligence to know voting is important and there were only two candidates and you should have voted accordingly. Lead by example. You could still discuss how it was not an easy choice or there was a lot about Hillary you didn't like but at least you could have presented yourself as someone who employed thoughtful consideration when voting. This potentially impacts others in the future.

Instead you and many others really just abdicated all responsibility but then still try to take the moral high ground. It's chicken crap.
05-14-2017 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
How have I not been following this?
I've seen a dozen plus tweets from that account and I still don't know if it's real.

The best reason to vote for Hillary isn't that we have a two party system, it's that she would make a much better President than Stein or Johnson.
05-14-2017 , 11:42 PM
We should get rid of the electoral college though.

Also two Senators per state sucks balls.
05-14-2017 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
I was directly responding to a post that suggested that only the .1 or .01 percent of the richest people would benefit from any Trump tax cuts. That is clearly and demonstrably false and I gave the example of the corporate tax rate. Not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you are just actually obtuse.
The plan includes removing almost all deductions which is a huge part of tax burden reduction for middle class businesses. There is zero evidence that those changes would lead to less taxes paid by small business owners. In fact it would likely do just the opposite.
05-14-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
We should get rid of the electoral college though.

Also two Senators per state sucks balls.
I'd accept Puerto Rico and DC being states in lieu of changing the Senator rules, at least it seems like a much more likely option.
05-14-2017 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
I'd accept Puerto Rico and DC being states in lieu of changing the Senator rules, at least it seems like a much more likely option.
Yeah, the Senate rules won't change for a long time unless the government changes entirely. Electoral college has some hope. California splitting is a possibility and that would help the 60 to 1 power disparity between some states and others in the Senate. It's not like this would necessarily change things that much, just a matter of equal representation on principle. And the prior discussion brings it to mind because yes, if you don't live in a state that has the slightest chance of being a swing state your vote means absolutely nothing in the presidential election. I voted and voted for HRC, but it was exactly 100% symbolic. At best I was hoping to run up the score, which I did on the popular vote for all the good that accomplished.

I'd definitely support Puerto Rico and DC becoming states.
05-14-2017 , 11:54 PM
pop comin in HOT

05-15-2017 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
I've seen a dozen plus tweets from that account and I still don't know if it's real.

The best reason to vote for Hillary isn't that we have a two party system, it's that she would make a much better President than Stein or Johnson.
There can be more than one reason
05-15-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Maybe us clowning Trump for eating well done steak and their whole milk=purity thing will take care of the alt-right more naturally than expected
Speaking of which Graeme Wood did a Richard Spencer piece and it's finally a piece that puts him in the proper context and not just commenting that he grooms himself and is some kind of funny rascal. Turns out they both went to the same elite Dallas prep school

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More to the point, Spencer’s ideas themselves are Nazi to the core, and he knows it, even if many of his followers do not. Hitler, too, viewed politics as a struggle and disdained those who imagined it instead as cooperative. For his own race he envisioned a special destiny, like that of an apex predator, expanding its territory until it occupied the land nature intended for it. Here is Spencer, in that same “Hail Trump” speech, on the destiny of whites:

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To be white is to be a striver, a crusader, an explorer and a conqueror. We build, we produce, we go upward … For us, it is conquer or die. This is a unique burden for the white man, that our fate is entirely in our hands. And it is appropriate because within us, within the very blood in our veins as children of the sun, lies the potential for greatness.

That is the great struggle we are called to. We are not meant to live in shame and weakness and disgrace. We were not meant to beg for moral validation from some of the most despicable creatures to ever populate the planet. We were meant to overcome—overcome all of it. Because that is natural and normal for us. Because for us, as Europeans, it is only normal again when we are great again.
Thwarting the competition among races, Hitler proposed in Mein Kampf, was a cavalcade of abstractions: justice, human rights, democracy, communism, capitalism. Spencer mocks these same abstractions as shibboleths of the modern age. Members of the mainstream right, he said in a December 2016 speech, “talk about global capitalism, and free markets, and the Constitution, and vague Christian values of some sort. But they never ask that question of Who are we? They never ask that question of identity.” His “Hail Trump” speech describes

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the concepts that are now designated “problematic” and associated with whiteness—power, strength, beauty, agency, accomplishment. Whites do and other groups don’t … We don’t exploit other groups. We don’t gain anything from their presence. They need us, and not the other way around.
These are among the most orthodox Nazi statements ever uttered by an American public figure.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-kampf/524505/
05-15-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I get that politics alpha is mostly echos now but wanting to pay less taxes is hardly staking out a joker-esque "some men want to watch the world burn" position. I want less of my money to go to the USA #1 war machine POS federal govt


Ironically, more of the tax dollars you pay will go to the war machine under Cheetolini
05-15-2017 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lew189
Jesus, again with this? I didn't vote for Trump.


You didn't vote for Hillary. = you voted for trump

There were only two candidates who could win

If you voted for a candidate that had 0 chance of winning, you are a ****
05-15-2017 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Wait, did I get him? Is this all over?

(checks earpiece)

No, I didn't? Nothing matters? Absolutely nothing matters anymore? Ok.
That was good for a laugh yesterday, but I kind of cringed when I heard it. Part of the cringe was knowing Trump watches and probably got off on it, and the other was that his supporters (being less educated for the most part) might learn from it. We want as many Trumpists as possible thinking he's not omnipotent.
05-15-2017 , 01:36 AM
This is just sad. FFS, I give Trump better than 36% to find NK.



https://twitter.com/UpshotNYT/status/863952170013659136
05-15-2017 , 01:46 AM


https://twitter.com/darth/status/863928000445767680
05-15-2017 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
This is just sad. FFS, I give Trump better than 36% to find NK.



https://twitter.com/UpshotNYT/status/863952170013659136
The worst part is I want to assume this is fake. But I don't even know anymore. I mean it is from NY Times so I want to assume it is real. But I want to assume any ****ing American didn't think North Korea was in China. But America elected Donald ****ing Trump to POTUS so I have no respect for the average American's intelligence.
05-15-2017 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
That was good for a laugh yesterday, but I kind of cringed when I heard it. Part of the cringe was knowing Trump watches and probably got off on it, and the other was that his supporters (being less educated for the most part) might learn from it. We want as many Trumpists as possible thinking he's not omnipotent.
His supporters have little to do with it anymore. What's cringe worthy is that he's omnipotent because morally bankrupt republicans are willing to look the other way while our country and its sacred institutions get ripped apart and flushed down the drain.

So stop blaming Trump supporters. Stop blaming other libs who might not agree with you on everything. And stop even blaming Trump who is nothing but a symptom of a political system that has been failing us for years. And start holding these slime bag scum of the earth politicians (both DEM and GOP) accountable before our 3 branches of government; the executive, legislative, and judicial are reduced to cinders are still somewhat intact, but I fear hanging by a thread.

Btw- When I say "you" I don't mean you personally, but all the intolerant libtards around here.
05-15-2017 , 02:44 AM
people putting it in the middle of the ocean
05-15-2017 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
people putting it in the middle of the ocean
Let's say I took one of those people putting it in the middle of ocean. I gave you a 50/50 bet on if they were trolling or if they believed it. What side do you take

If you even took a moment to consider it, **** (and ****, I'm not even sure)
05-15-2017 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
I've seen a dozen plus tweets from that account and I still don't know if it's real.

The best reason to vote for Hillary isn't that we have a two party system, it's that she would make a much better President than Stein or Johnson.
It's obviously a joke, but very well done.
05-15-2017 , 05:19 AM


https://mobile.twitter.com/DPRK_News...09062496837632
05-15-2017 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Yeah, the Senate rules won't change for a long time unless the government changes entirely. Electoral college has some hope. California splitting is a possibility and that would help the 60 to 1 power disparity between some states and others in the Senate. It's not like this would necessarily change things that much, just a matter of equal representation on principle. And the prior discussion brings it to mind because yes, if you don't live in a state that has the slightest chance of being a swing state your vote means absolutely nothing in the presidential election. I voted and voted for HRC, but it was exactly 100% symbolic. At best I was hoping to run up the score, which I did on the popular vote for all the good that accomplished.

I'd definitely support Puerto Rico and DC becoming states.
Consider that between every other act of the Resistance and institutional obstructions and barriers people have thrown in front of Trump, like judges rolling back his travel ban -- you can feel good knowing this symbolic troll of Trump is probably what upsets and rankles him the most.
05-15-2017 , 05:45 AM
The weirdest bit about that "find north korea" thing is every age range polled had 35%+ get it right except for 45-54 year olds, who scored 25%. Defend your generation, suzzer.

1/3 getting it right is about what I would have guessed, btw. Australians would do slightly better because we are in the Asian region, but I'd still expect sub 50%.
05-15-2017 , 06:15 AM
I'm shocked that you guys are shocked about that North Korea map. If you did the same exercise and asked people to label London, Africa, and Washington DC on a global map the results would be equally hilarious. Joe Six Pack doesn't give a **** about any of that.

      
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