Like if I paid less money in taxes my quality of life goes up right? i realize these are old arguments in this forum but voters obv gonna go with less taxes a lot more often than more taxes?

Edit: going to work on more constructive response posts so my positions are clearer. Sorry for post storm

on average no

more often probably

LOL that's an amazing rebuttal, guess I should just mail the money I have into the IRS voluntarily I'm sure that's what all the higher tax rate advocates do, set the example right? 🙄

Do you want a more educated populace? Better infrastructure? More access to goods and services? Healthier population? Social safety net?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Wtf are you even talking about?

So far you broadly generalized the federal govt. as evil and inefficient. Which is silly since the federal govt. encompasses many agencies that are neither of those.

The thing about your QoL going up because you have more monies by paying less taxes is infantile logic. It's a little more nuanced than that.

Popular because he bowed down to our enemies. Trump has put them on notice. Also Russia is a friend because Putin got super-cool over the last year for some reason.

Jules, your posts come from the position that paying taxes is equivalent to throwing money in an incinerator. If you reflect on all of the things that government provides, and for which money is needed to pay for, you will see this is not the case.

I don't want to scream into the wind too much last time I got a days ban for rapid response posting so this will be my last OT post in this thread. The idea that as soon as we replace trump everything will be perfect and let's pile the tax money into the federal government is hilarious to me. I used to be a very loud and proud democrat but 2009-2012 sure cured me of any notions that changing the CEO will change the companies course.

I'm sure your argument that more money in my pocket is not an increase to my quality of life will play well with middle class voters who bear the brunt of the federal tax burden imo

so where was Trump this weekend? if he stayed in the whitehouse they would have made sure we heard about it. or is this the end of press briefings?

He was golfing.

No one is saying this.

It's not a trap question. I mean, I know you libertarian types love to imagine the freedom of the free market finally being free to provide all the things government does if we just ended those government things and freed the market, but we do not have to imagine what happens when the government does not do these things, which is the time before government did them. Poor people didn't used to get to go to school.

No one thinks society is magically going to be perfect once someone besides Trump is in office. That's a strawman.

Quite a few middle class voters understand their taxes pay for institutions that would be far more expensive if they were spending out of their pockets, and not pooling their resources collectively. The fact you do not understand is pretty astonishing.

Jules,

No one on earth thinks tax rates should be high just for the sake of it regardless of how the money is spent.

It's not even that I think the free market could replace these services, but I'm pretty sure state governments could, and then I could feel better about not subsidizing dead browns by the mass grave. Keep social security keep Medicare and make it for all, and send the rest to the state level. I have watched our federal government wage a war on overseas browns all of this century basically and it makes me want to puke when anyone defends putting more money into this

most countries with better quality of life than the usa pay a lot more taxes

(big portion being free healthcare for all)

I would show up to the polls early to vote for higher taxes less military spending. I'd probably camp out to do so

Jules,

Some people think that tax rates should be zero because there should be no property and goods and services should all be given as gifts in a society based on mutual aid. I don't think they would use that as a point in defense of lew's nationalist plutocracy.

Nobody believes you about this Jules. Workshop more plausible lies. This is the same bizarre ****(right down to the really offputting use of "browns") from last time, buddy.

Let me be clear on one point , IDGAF about lew or any of the other two or three trumpkins on this board. But zikzaks post to me was absurd. It's kind of sad I can't have any non Democratic Party position without being an automatic trumpkin defender but that's the state of the discourse these days, I get it

Exactly.....I'm not going to have very strong opinions about whether 30k a year for a family of 3 is poor or lower middle class because I am really ignorant on that sort of lifestyle and I'd appreciate the same respect on the other side.

Jules, no, what'd we just talk about? The liberals and leftists you're haranguing are often loudly critical of the Democratic party, even to the extent of specifically criticizing the hawkish foreign policy of the Obama era.

So that's not it.

Here's a primer since it seems you forgot:

1) Nobody cares about how their tax burden is split up from state/local/federal level, that you're weirdly claiming you are is something you're coming up with on the fly.

2) Donald Trump and the GOP literally run on increased military spending and more active foreign policy engagement, no way that someone who gets physically ill over "dead browns" would've seen this election as between two sides that are just as bad, and there's definitely no chance someone with those beliefs would continue to take weird potshots at the left in May of 2017.

Non-Democratic-Party positions are probably a majority on aggregate ITF (it's going to vary from issue to issue). cf the considerable number of posters unhappy with Clinton as a candidate, but willing to recognise she was clearly preferable to Generic Republican, and wildly preferable to Trump.

Loudly critique and then vote for anyway wtf does that even accomplish? You lot are like the beaten spouse who always goes back to the abuser. When you make everything super binary like "gotta vote hildawg or you're a nazi fascist etc etc" these are the type of positions people try to tamp down with a straight face