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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-14-2017 , 05:04 PM
The fact that the number one go-to for Trump voters was "we had to vote for him to preserve our principles by STEALING a Supreme Court seat and helping millionaires and billionaires get more breaks" is just so depressing. They instinctively desire to humiliate themselves for Daddy just like Spicer does every day, but they aren't getting paid big bucks to do it. They're doing it to have things taken away.
05-14-2017 , 05:04 PM
1. Fine.

2. Dumb, as discussed with you already by others. Also many people's stances on 2 are largely motivated by racism and xenophobia, which goes to zikzaks point.

3. What erosions took place under Obama and what did you expect to take place under Hillary? Your answer can't be a repeat of 1, since you're citing these as different.

4 and 5. LOL at putting these two right next to each other. Couldn't get a more perfect embodiment of typical Republican voter.
05-14-2017 , 05:07 PM
Remember that Republicans' number one project right now is actively dismantling the right-wing health care solution ObamaCare. They don't believe in right-wing market-based solutions. They don't believe in any solutions at all. They just believe in more for the very very wealthy and less for everybody else.
05-14-2017 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Uh, all 5 of those are ways to make people suffer and watch the world burn. There are no positive right wing positions. There is absolutely nothing in the modern GOP that is designed to help people or make the world a better place. It is 100% wall-to-wall tax cuts for the billionaire class, and bread and circuses for aggrieved white people in the form of making non-white people suffer.

I want this on a long and obnoxious bumper sticker. Perfect, succinct summation.
05-14-2017 , 05:12 PM
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2.) Immigration. Get some kind of handle on ILLEGAL immigration, hopefully vetting people to allow the best & brightest in, while keeping the most dangerous out. Related- Deport violent and serious criminal illegal aliens.
By the way, when last lew tried this **** he ended up actually arguing for Barack Obama's immigration policy and felt it was unfair of liberals to criticize Trump voters for supporting Trump's policy. He also appeared to not believe that Trump's policy WAS Trump's policy, but that was probably just dishonesty.

Which he has done again here.
05-14-2017 , 05:12 PM
1 wasn't ok, but I could stomach reading it.

I had to stop at "Get some kind of a handle on". That's just sheer idiotic Trumpism. "Figure out what the hell is going on". It's complete garbage. It's a celebration of ignorance. Facts like decreasing illegal immigration, net immigration being essentially zero with Mexico, the lower crime rate of immigrants v. natives, the economic impact of restricting immigration.....it's all stuff that you willfully intend to remain ignorant of. The bottom line, whether it's about culture, religion, or race, you hate for people who are different to be here.

If there were a tiny effort to make an informed argument instead of everyone always needing to stop so you can figure out what the hell is going on, maybe you'd fool us into a discussion.
05-14-2017 , 05:14 PM
Don't forget the other major Republican priority:

6. (Continuing to ) Dismantle the election system so that Republicans can continue to win elections despite having unpopular ideas and lacking support from the broader population
05-14-2017 , 05:16 PM
Uh, why is anyone conceding that wanting conservative justices is some sort of valid, non-nihilist position? What does one need another Scalia for except to rubber stamp world burning as textualism?
05-14-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Uh, why is anyone conceding that wanting conservative justices is some sort of valid, non-nihilist position? What does one need another Scalia for except to rubber stamp world burning as textualism?
52% of Americans claim to believe that a zygote has a soul. Also guns. It's at least partly a different argument than the rest of the world burning.
05-14-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Uh, why is anyone conceding that wanting conservative justices is some sort of valid, non-nihilist position? What does one need another Scalia for except to rubber stamp world burning as textualism?
It's at least logically consistent with being a conservative.
05-14-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
This is just meant as a tangent and I don't know about heroin, but I got quit a stimilant effect the one time I took vicoden and I understand that happens with to some people.
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I get stimulated by vicodin whereas percoset puts me immediately to sleep. My ex is the exact opposite.
well, if the amount was enough to od you, then I dont think you would feel stimulated.
05-14-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
52% of Americans claim to believe that a zygote has a soul. Also guns. It's at least partly a different argument than the rest of the world burning.
And as we can see with gun-rights - Democrats could completely capitulate on abortion, make it totally illegal, yet fear of abortion's return would still be a massive issue for (R) voters.

There is no point giving them an inch on anything. Conservative media will just make up a strawman in place of actual opposition.
05-14-2017 , 05:32 PM
i dont blame them, obama did in fact take all their guns

also sharia law or something

Last edited by Kirbynator; 05-14-2017 at 05:44 PM.
05-14-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
No.

A few reasons non-nihilist people support(ed) Trump:

1.) Supreme Court. Hopefully put one or more conservative justices on the SC.
2.) Immigration. Get some kind of handle on ILLEGAL immigration, hopefully vetting people to allow the best & brightest in, while keeping the most dangerous out. Related- Deport violent and serious criminal illegal aliens.
3.) 2nd Amendment. Prevent its erosion to whatever degree possible.
4.) Taxes. Lower them as much as possible.
5.) Military. Strengthen benefits for current and retired military personnel.

These are just a few of the most obvious things. Some of these Trump has worked on, some he is working on and some he hasn't really touched. All in all though, if the above are priorities for a person, Trump's presidency has not been that terrible. Even if you argue he has little success, I would argue that there is evidence that he is trying.

I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that 40%+ of the population does NOT want to watch the world burn and I'm legitimately sorry that you feel that way. I imagine that if the above list does not reflect your top priorities, this must be a very frustrating time.

Also, Avwal does NOT speak for every "Trumpkin," as far ask know.
this post is just further proof that there is no reason to engage with a trumpkin for the purpose of changing their viewpoint or honest debate. they are so indoctrinated that reality and facts are impossible for them to comprehend. anyone who actually believes these talking points are important, or that republicans will sufficiently address them is either utterly naive and brainwashed or a complete idiot.
05-14-2017 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
this post is just further proof that there is no reason to engage with a trumpkin for the purpose of changing their viewpoint or honest debate. they are so indoctrinated that reality and facts are impossible for them to comprehend. anyone who actually believes these talking points are important, or that republicans will sufficiently address them is either utterly naive and brainwashed or a complete idiot.
My favorite is stuff along the lines of "Trump has announced to the world that we will no longer bow down to Muslims. Trump is restoring respect for the US and our standing as a global superpower." That one comes out on Chiefsplanet constantly.

How do you even argue against that with any person who would say it in earnest? Just all the feels and false premises wound together into a gigantic tangled ball of ****.
05-14-2017 , 05:47 PM
I get that politics alpha is mostly echos now but wanting to pay less taxes is hardly staking out a joker-esque "some men want to watch the world burn" position. I want less of my money to go to the USA #1 war machine POS federal govt
05-14-2017 , 05:48 PM
The other four listed are obviously lol but trumpkins gonna trumpkin
05-14-2017 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I get that politics alpha is mostly echos now but wanting to pay less taxes is hardly staking out a joker-esque "some men want to watch the world burn" position. I want less of my money to go to the USA #1 war machine POS federal govt
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
05-14-2017 , 05:51 PM
People who watch fox news all day didn't realize you guys were super unpopular under gwb (do these people not remember how many people protested the Iraq war around the world? Largest protests in history). Obama was super popular worldwide! Maybe the most popular ever. Trump is literally polling at single digits in every allied country and enemy except Russia, where their media props him up.

Sweden makes commercials denigrating you. Sweden!
05-14-2017 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Uh, why is anyone conceding that wanting conservative justices is some sort of valid, non-nihilist position? What does one need another Scalia for except to rubber stamp world burning as textualism?
This.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It's at least logically consistent with being a conservative.
Well yeah but literally so, as in it's tautological. Conservatives want conservative Xs, for any given value of X. If we already think outcomes favoured by self-identifying conservatives are overwhelmingly negative, we think conservative justices are negative, too.
05-14-2017 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
I would happily pay the same amount in state taxes. Federal government is inefficient and basically evil, No matters who's in charge imo
05-14-2017 , 05:55 PM
Jules, the "both sides are the same" post you just made is exactly why everyone rightly derides your posts
05-14-2017 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I get that politics alpha is mostly echos now but wanting to pay less taxes is hardly staking out a joker-esque "some men want to watch the world burn" position. I want less of my money to go to the USA #1 war machine POS federal govt
You might want to check Lew's thoughts on the size of the military before making this post.
05-14-2017 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Uh, all 5 of those are ways to make people suffer and watch the world burn. There are no positive right wing positions. There is absolutely nothing in the modern GOP that is designed to help people or make the world a better place. It is 100% wall-to-wall tax cuts for the billionaire class, and bread and circuses for aggrieved white people in the form of making non-white people suffer.
I was more responding to this post than Lews original. I would never vote for any politician who wanted to increase funding to our military. I consider it blood money through and through
05-14-2017 , 05:58 PM
How anyone can sacrifice everything we're losing in these last 115 days for those 5 bull**** points is beyond me. The President is breaking laws left and right to avoid scrutiny, and Russians are taking control of the world with his support for Christ's sake!

WAKE UP LEW!

      
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