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05-14-2017 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Hopefully they've hidden the data away somewhere for when sanity returns to power - like the heroes at museums in Kabul who risked their lives to hide things from the Taliban.
First rule of authoritarianism -- kill all the evidence.
05-14-2017 , 03:17 PM
So how do we get Trump to lose his base? He's not doing a good enough job on his own (incompetent bastard) and he needs our help.

They won't believe anything unless Fox says it or it gets pounded into their skulls by tons of IRL folks around them. Trump has to do something really anti-white or anti-Christian, like personally aborting a fetus and selling its parts on TV.
05-14-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
Anyone starting to enjoy FOX News Sunday? No wonder the Trumpkins are starting to hate Chris Wallace... Having McConnell's former chief saying he thinks Merrick Garland is the best pick for the Fbi was some kind of bizarro world.
Getting Garland to accept the FBI Director position is a GOP wet dream.
05-14-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
So how do we get Trump to lose his base? He's not doing a good enough job on his own (incompetent bastard) and he needs our help.

They won't believe anything unless Fox says it or it gets pounded into their skulls by tons of IRL folks around them. Trump has to do something really anti-white or anti-Christian, like personally aborting a fetus and selling its parts on TV.
Twitter search how the alt right feels about FOX News and I'll think you'll be surprised at the sentiment. Doesnt mean they aren't watching because they clearly are but the constant hammering of the media is the enemy is working.
05-14-2017 , 03:28 PM
but working to what end? Fox News is mainstream Right, of course Alt-Right don't follow in lockstep with them.
05-14-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Pretty sure Felix and Virgil are my two favorite accounts currently.
Who is Felix?
05-14-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Who is Felix?
https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic

Felix Biederman, one of the hosts of Chapo Trap House, which is a fantastic political comedy podcast.
05-14-2017 , 04:01 PM


Maybe us clowning Trump for eating well done steak and their whole milk=purity thing will take care of the alt-right more naturally than expected
05-14-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
So how do we get Trump to lose his base? He's not doing a good enough job on his own (incompetent bastard) and he needs our help.

They won't believe anything unless Fox says it or it gets pounded into their skulls by tons of IRL folks around them. Trump has to do something really anti-white or anti-Christian, like personally aborting a fetus and selling its parts on TV.
Support for Trump is to a large degree based on existential nihilism. Ultimately the Trumpkins want to watch the world burn, but not their world. Just the one the liberals live in, and Mexicans, and black people, and Muslims. It is a flavor of nihilism for people who have never really suffered and stand little chance of ever having to pay a price to watch the world burn.

Awval has already told us the answer. He will change his mind only if the Trump administration starts to hurt him directly. Until then he will be perfectly content to watch other people suffer. That's what he voted for.
05-14-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Trazodone has worked wonders for me re: sleep
Me too.
05-14-2017 , 04:16 PM
seattlelou lives!

Lou - as one of the few moderate republicans I know (and since I'm moving grizy to (D)) settle a bet. Did the NC legislature go too far in this case? Or do you think all their actions are legit? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...583_story.html

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In the North Carolina case, the 4th Circuit panel agreed with allegations that North Carolina’s omnibus bill selectively chose voter-ID requirements, reduced the number of early-voting days and changed registration procedures in ways meant to harm blacks, who overwhelmingly vote for the Democratic Party.

“The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision” and “impose cures for problems that did not exist,” Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote for the panel. “Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation.”
Follow up question: are voter ID laws primarily motivated by a) the desire to ensure integrity in the voting process or b) the desire to suppress minority votes?
05-14-2017 , 04:16 PM
Going after cannabis will piss a few of the younger ones off, although they are mostly blue states anyway, I think.

Medicare might get some of the older voters.

Both will probably just blame Obama/Hillary/immigrants though...
05-14-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
Going after cannabis will piss a few of the younger ones off, although they are mostly blue states anyway, I think.
90% of stoner Trump fans don't vote. Easy pickens.
05-14-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
I did not say there was no reason to try and do anything about it. Please don't put words in my mouth. I said they will survive Sessions. As they survived slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, assassinations of big leaders, cointelpro, bombing of black Wall Street, and Move bombings.
So your retort to being called "stupid" is to double-down on the stupid?

You said black people will survive all of this. What would "not surviving" entail? Mass suicide? A thirty percent increase in stress-related heart attacks? Or them just disappearing without a trace?
05-14-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
You two plus two are the reason Trump got voted in and won't be elected out. You geniuses keep on talking about your fantasy land world and how everyone else is an idiot. You will do great things and change the world for the better. Oh yes put Queen Hilary back in there, I am sure if they had the election tomorrow she would lose again.

Keep popping those meds though everything will be just fine.
Rip off the mask baby
05-14-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kre8tive
Wut? Heroin is not a stimulant, your heart will not be racing and you certainly won't be doing any pacing while overdosing from an opiate. Respiratory failure is what does you in
ya, not sure wtf he is talking about. he proly should have a talk with his dealer if those are the effects hes getting.
05-14-2017 , 04:30 PM
I hate it when they cut my heroin with meth.
05-14-2017 , 04:31 PM
This is just meant as a tangent and I don't know about heroin, but I got quit a stimilant effect the one time I took vicoden and I understand that happens with to some people.
05-14-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Support for Trump is to a large degree based on existential nihilism. Ultimately the Trumpkins want to watch the world burn, but not their world. Just the one the liberals live in, and Mexicans, and black people, and Muslims. It is a flavor of nihilism for people who have never really suffered and stand little chance of ever having to pay a price to watch the world burn.

Awval has already told us the answer. He will change his mind only if the Trump administration starts to hurt him directly. Until then he will be perfectly content to watch other people suffer. That's what he voted for.
No.

A few reasons non-nihilist people support(ed) Trump:

1.) Supreme Court. Hopefully put one or more conservative justices on the SC.
2.) Immigration. Get some kind of handle on ILLEGAL immigration, hopefully vetting people to allow the best & brightest in, while keeping the most dangerous out. Related- Deport violent and serious criminal illegal aliens.
3.) 2nd Amendment. Prevent its erosion to whatever degree possible.
4.) Taxes. Lower them as much as possible.
5.) Military. Strengthen benefits for current and retired military personnel.

These are just a few of the most obvious things. Some of these Trump has worked on, some he is working on and some he hasn't really touched. All in all though, if the above are priorities for a person, Trump's presidency has not been that terrible. Even if you argue he has little success, I would argue that there is evidence that he is trying.

I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that 40%+ of the population does NOT want to watch the world burn and I'm legitimately sorry that you feel that way. I imagine that if the above list does not reflect your top priorities, this must be a very frustrating time.

Also, Avwal does NOT speak for every "Trumpkin," as far ask know.
05-14-2017 , 04:46 PM
Obv Avwal is a lot smarter than the average trumpkin.
05-14-2017 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
This is just meant as a tangent and I don't know about heroin, but I got quit a stimilant effect the one time I took vicoden and I understand that happens with to some people.
I get stimulated by vicodin whereas percoset puts me immediately to sleep. My ex is the exact opposite.
05-14-2017 , 04:55 PM
Sally Yates testimony was 6 days ago.

Remember when the good old days when people were incredibly outraged because the president wore a tan suit once?
05-14-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
No.

A few reasons non-nihilist people support(ed) Trump:

1.) Supreme Court. Hopefully put one or more conservative justices on the SC.
2.) Immigration. Get some kind of handle on ILLEGAL immigration, hopefully vetting people to allow the best & brightest in, while keeping the most dangerous out. Related- Deport violent and serious criminal illegal aliens.
3.) 2nd Amendment. Prevent its erosion to whatever degree possible.
4.) Taxes. Lower them as much as possible.
5.) Military. Strengthen benefits for current and retired military personnel.

These are just a few of the most obvious things. Some of these Trump has worked on, some he is working on and some he hasn't really touched. All in all though, if the above are priorities for a person, Trump's presidency has not been that terrible. Even if you argue he has little success, I would argue that there is evidence that he is trying.

I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that 40%+ of the population does NOT want to watch the world burn and I'm legitimately sorry that you feel that way. I imagine that if the above list does not reflect your top priorities, this must be a very frustrating time.

Also, Avwal does NOT speak for every "Trumpkin," as far ask know.
1. Sure - makes sense.

2. Very debatable that picking off grannies here for 10 years is accomplishing anything. All the dangerous hombres were already being deported (with some high profile screwups of course, which will also continue under Trump). But if feels like we're doing something under Trump - which is all 99% of Trump fans care about. The wall is a) already dead, b) wouldn't have done much anyway and c) never was a serious proposal. You realize all that right?

3. When was the last time anything material happened to gun rights at the national level? The NRA is on a 30 year+ winning streak. If nothing happened after Sandy Hook, nothing is ever going to happen. Worrying about gun grabbing in 2017 USA is bordering on psychotic paranoia. You guys won. At least wait until the enemy shows the tiniest signs of life - before voting in an impulsive incompetent buffoon to the most powerful position on earth as a bulwark against imaginary gun grabbers.

4. They're getting lowered all right. But not on you. Your taxes are likely to go up to pay for tax breaks on the wealthy. You cool with that? Best case scenario you get thrown a small bone compared to the share the wealthy gets - and the deficit mushrooms as a result - aka Bush tax cuts, Reagan tax cuts, etc. But they will in fact cut social services. So you get positive utility out of sticking it to the poors.

5. Do you honestly think Trump is going to do anything about military benefits? What are you basing this on? What he said he'd do, which we know is completely worthless? Maybe he'll talk about stuff, but damn GOP congress will block him - like they always do with veteran's benefits. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At least Trump tried. You have to know on some level that's exactly what's going to happen. Trump just said **** to get elected. He doesn't care if any of it happens. He knows conservative media will run cover and he'll have zero accountability to his base.

GOP's actual track record on supporting veterans.

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Senate GOP Obstructionists Throw Veterans Under The Bus-Vote Down Bill To Help Vets In Need Of Jobs
9/23/2012 @ 4:29PM

For those who continue to believe that obstructionism at any cost is not the goal of the Senate Republicans, consider the behavior of the GOP Senators who, on Friday, blocked a bi-partisan effort to pass a bill that would put veterans to work in jobs that look after the nation’s federal land while also giving our fighting men and women a leg up when it comes to getting them hired by local police and fire departments.

The legislation would have provided a relatively small allocation of $1 billion in funds to accomplish the goals of the program.

In order to bring the bill to the floor, a procedural vote was required to waive a technical limit placed on such spending as agreed to in Congress during last year’s budgetary fiasco. Despite the sum of money having been fully offset by cuts and modifications to other planned expenditures, Senate Republicans used the required vote to shoot down the proposed legislation as the Democrats, with some Republican assistance, were able to manage only 58 of the 60 votes required to accomplish the waiver.
GOP blocks COLA on benefits for disabled veterans and survivors
September 28, 2012

Despite what has traditionally been overwhelming support both in the past and unanimous support earlier this year in the U.S. House of Representatives, the Chairperson of the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans’ Affairs announced on Thursday that at least one Republican Senator was holding up a bill which would provide a cost of living adjustment (COLA) on benefits for disabled veterans and the spouses and children of deceased veterans.

...

Earlier in September Republicans in the Senate blocked a bill which would have helped veterans gain employment. Meanwhile at the end of August President Barack Obama signed an Executive Order improving the mental health services for veterans, military members and their families.
Meet the 40 Senate Republicans Who Betrayed Veterans By Killing $1 Billion in Jobs

Forty Republican members of the United States Senate betrayed veterans today when they decided that denying President Obama a victory was more important than spending $1 billion to create jobs for vets.

The Veterans Job Corps Act of 2012 would have spent $1 billion over five years to put veterans to work tending to federal lands, and in the nation’s police and fire departments. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) based her plan of FDR’s Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), but Republicans opposed the bill because they said there is no proof that it would work.

Republican Sen. Tom Coburn claimed that there is no evidence that jobs for vets will work, “What we have is a bill that’s brought to the floor that has good intentions behind but shows the absolute laziness of congress in terms of really digging things out.

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Here are the 40 Republicans who voted to keep America’s veterans unemployed,


War on Error

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Bill's Blocked By Republican's Since President Obama Took Office.

David Gregory, John McCain, and the media aren't covering this story so we have to.

Here's a concise extraction for easy viewing for those who are INTERESTED IN VETERANS ISSUES and need to know which party supports veterans and which party does not.

The rejected Bills are named:

H.R. 466 – Wounded Veteran Job Security Act became H. R. 2875.

H.R. 1168 -- Veterans Retraining Act

H.R. 1171 – Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization

H.R. 1172 -- Requiring List on VA Website of Organizations Providing Scholarships for Veterans

H.R. 1293 -- Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009

H.R. 1803 -- Veterans Business Center Act

H.R. 2352 – Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act

DETAILS OF BILLS REJECTED BY REPUBLICANS:

H.R. 466 – Wounded Veteran Job Security Act – This bill would actually provide job security for veterans who are receiving medical treatment for injuries suffered while fighting in defense of their country. It would prohibit employers from terminating
employees who miss work while receiving treatment for a service-related disability.

H.R. 1168 -- Veterans Retraining Act – This bill would provide for assistance to help veterans who are currently unemployed with their expenses while retraining for the current job market.

H.R. 1171 – Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization – This bill would reauthorize programs in support of homeless veterans, to assist them with job training, counseling, and placement services through the Department of Veterans Affairs through 2014.

H.R. 1172 -- Requiring List on VA Website of Organizations Providing Scholarships for Veterans which does nothing more than direct the Department of Veterans Affairs to include information about scholarships for veterans.

H.R. 1293 -- Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009 – Here’sanother bill in support of those who have fought for their country, passed by House Democrats and blocked from becoming law by Republicans.

This would increase the amount paid by the VA to disabled veterans for necessary home structural improvements from $4,100 to $6,800 for those who are more than 50% disabled, and from $1,200 to $2,000 who are less than 50%, disabled. This means, if a veteran lost the use of his legs in service of his country, the country will pay for the wheelchair ramp so that he can live at home.

By the way, the last time this ceiling was lifted was in 1992. There isn't even a fiscal reason for being against this bill, as the total cost of this bill, according to CBO estimates, would be a “whopping” $20 million. That's about a quarter (25 cents) per family of four.

H.R. 1803 -- Veterans Business Center Act – This bill would set up a Veterans Business Center program within the Small Business Administration, which would specialize in such programs as grants for service-disabled veterans, help them develop business plans and secure business opportunities. In other words, folks, it would create jobs and offer opportunities those who have fought in defense of our country.

H.R. 2352 – Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act – This bill essentially combines a number of other bills that Republicans had blocked in the Senate previously, and adds a few elements. The bill would again establish a Veterans Business Center Program; .... it would establish a Military Entrepreneurs Program; ...
Republicans Vote Against Increased VA Funding
Two billion to rescue our ailing VA system as new vets flood the system? Not necessary. apparently.
From the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />Washington Post: (with thanks to jmarshall on our comment board)

"Republicans beat back a Democratic attempt to provide almost $2 billion in additional health care funding for veterans. rejecting claims that Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals are in crisis."

VA hospitals are doing just fine. huh? Tell that to Jeremy Lewis or Denver Jones - just two of the thousands of Iraq vets who came home to months of bureaucracy and delayed treatment. But it's not just Iraq vets who think the VA needs some help.
Major GOP Donor Arrested in $100 Million Veteran Charity Scam
May 02, 2012 08:30 AM

The U.S. Marshal Service announced Tuesday that it had captured one of America’s Most Wanted fugitives who is accused of creating a fake charity for Navy veterans that funneled some of the $100 million collected to Republican candidates.

Between the early 2000s and 2010, a man using the alias "Bobby Thompson" collected millions from unsuspecting donors for the charity U.S. Navy Veterans Association (USNVA), which claimed to provide support for members of the U.S. Armed Forces. Officials believe that very little, if any, of the money was ever used as intended, according to the U.S. Marshal Service.

To help legitimize his charity, Thompson allegedly donated part of the ill-gotten funds to Republican candidates like former President George W. Bush, former Republican presidential candidate John McCain and House Speaker John Boehner.

Republican Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli reportedly personally pleaded with Thompson for donations and received $55,000 for his effort, making Thompson Cuccinelli's second-largest donor. Cuccinelli was eventually forced to turn over the tainted money to veterans support groups.
Walter Reed Scandal Unfolds with General's Firing
Questions are being raised about the new commander in charge of the Army's Walter Reed Army Medical Center, a day after the previous general in charge was fired.

The shuffle at Walter Reed takes place two weeks after a series of articles in The Washington Post exposed troubling conditions at the Washington, D.C., facility.

The paper described a medical bureaucracy that left hundreds of wounded Iraqi vets wading through mountains of paperwork as they tried to obtain medical care. The Post also reported on the poor condition of rooms used by some veterans receiving treatment at the hospital.
Witness slams 'nightmares' of Army medical system
POSTED: 1:51 a.m. EST, March 6, 2007

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Witnesses told a House panel Monday that wounded U.S. soldiers are forced to struggle against a nightmarish and untrustworthy Army medical system that leaves veterans stranded in unfit conditions.

Two Iraq war veterans and the wife of a third gave heartbreaking, at times stunning, tales of neglect at the now notorious Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

The panel was convened in the wake of a scandal triggered by The Washington Post's detailing of problems at the hospital.
Bachmann Takes Heat From Veterans' Group for Proposing Benefits Cuts
Conservative Rep. Michele Bachmann is taking heat from the nation's largest combat veterans' organization for proposing, as part of a broad list of spending cuts, a combination of reductions and caps in veterans' benefits.

"No way, no how, will we let this proposal get any traction in Congress," Richard Eubank, head of Veterans of Foreign Wars, said in a written statement released Friday.

The Minnesota Republican congresswoman, who is positioning herself as a leading critic of the Obama administration in the wake of the midterm elections, earlier this week outlined $400 billion worth of possible spending cuts. The plan projected huge savings from drastic measures like abolishing the Department of Education, overhauling farm subsidies and eliminating a host of Justice Department grants and programs.

Tucked into the outline was $4.5 billion in cuts targeting veterans. She proposed capping increases for health care spending at the Department of Veterans Affairs and cutting disability payments "to account for (Social Security) disability payments."

Last edited by suzzer99; 05-14-2017 at 05:14 PM.
05-14-2017 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
No.

A few reasons non-nihilist people support(ed) Trump:

1.) Supreme Court. Hopefully put one or more conservative justices on the SC.
2.) Immigration. Get some kind of handle on ILLEGAL immigration, hopefully vetting people to allow the best & brightest in, while keeping the most dangerous out. Related- Deport violent and serious criminal illegal aliens.
3.) 2nd Amendment. Prevent its erosion to whatever degree possible.
4.) Taxes. Lower them as much as possible.
5.) Military. Strengthen benefits for current and retired military personnel.

These are just a few of the most obvious things. Some of these Trump has worked on, some he is working on and some he hasn't really touched. All in all though, if the above are priorities for a person, Trump's presidency has not been that terrible. Even if you argue he has little success, I would argue that there is evidence that he is trying.

I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that 40%+ of the population does NOT want to watch the world burn and I'm legitimately sorry that you feel that way. I imagine that if the above list does not reflect your top priorities, this must be a very frustrating time.

Also, Avwal does NOT speak for every "Trumpkin," as far ask know.
Uh, all 5 of those are ways to make people suffer and watch the world burn. There are no positive right wing positions. There is absolutely nothing in the modern GOP that is designed to help people or make the world a better place. It is 100% wall-to-wall tax cuts for the billionaire class, and bread and circuses for aggrieved white people in the form of making non-white people suffer.
05-14-2017 , 05:02 PM
Yeah lew also you're forgetting the thing that you don't get to just pick and choose 5 things and then come up with fairy tales and everyone has to nod sagely.

YOU voted, loud and proud, for a senile fascist over a boring centrist. That's absolutely nihilist, it's saying that you don't care about the good of your fellow citizens.

Sorry if that un-PC truth triggers you but have some ****ing personal responsibility.

      
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