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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-14-2017 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Anyone still clinging to the idea that the era of Trump has ushered in positive change is absurd.
Positive changes since Trump took over:

1. Political awareness has been greatly raised.
2. We
05-14-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
The idea isn't to pull punches with his staff because they are smart or good; certainly not even to have pity on them.

It's that Trump plays the staff-shake-up-game during times of crisis both as a bobble for the media to get focused on and more subtly but critically, it's a way for him to pretend whoever is rumored on the outs is responsible for his failures. So making Bannon, or Conway, or Spicer, or Miller, or Priebus, or whoever the subject of an inordinate amount of focus and criticism is ultimately servile to Trump's interests: when and if things go really south, he'll fire the person or people and then pretend he's some savvy CEO who now sees he too has been betrayed by his disloyal and incompetent staff.

Obviously no one sharp would be fooled by this game but when critics aggrandize guys like Bannon as an especially pernicious influence, it may be both realistic but also folly. It lets Trump fritter around and say NOW Ivanka and Jared really has his ear, or he's really letting the Wisconsin guys like Priebus and Ryan set the agenda, he's really marginalized Bannon this time. Focusing on Bannon as really and uniquely bad is, in the end, political cover for Trump to deploy when its suits his purpose.

It's a giant fools' errand to follow the court intrigue too deeply. A lot of it is surely a smoke show crafted specifically to let the audience imagine whatever they want like the rest of Trump's rhetoric. He's got Ivanka and Jared for the elites and the women and the money people, Priebus for the insiders, Bannon for the alt-right and depending on the audience, time of day, rise and fall of various circumstances he's just going to pretend their status is rising and falling, they really have his ear now, this one is on the outs, he's about to say YOU'RE FIRED to that one, blah blah blah blah. It's a scam designed to confuse in the end. Critics should just focus on Trump. When and if he ever fires Bannon or sends Jared back to the Trump business empire or whatever, and some other new drama emerges, some new force that has Trump's ear this time, just ignore it all and continue saying Trump and Trump alone is the truly malignant and dangerous force in this thing.
Is there anything that can be done about Trump's focus on misdirects with staff as long as people keep accepting jobs. Huge staffing holes aside plenty of people line up to fill what jobs he chooses to offer.

This has been Trump's MO in his business career as well. He scapegoats as a primary defense mechanism. Which is absolutely one of the worst traits for a leader of anything.

Trump hired Flynn after he has been fired by Obama and then blamed Obama for him hiring him. Too many people are easily sucked into the vortex of nonsense for much of this to stick directly on Trump.
05-14-2017 , 01:40 PM
Getting Bannon out of the White House has massive benefits. Spicey - yeah who cares. Eyes on the prize.
05-14-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I thought that was given to Spicy?
Lolol
05-14-2017 , 01:40 PM
The hilarious thing about Trump wanting a staff shakeup and being unhappy with Preibus and Spicer, is that it's all Trump's fault. Rearranging the deck chairs won't save a sinking ship. Well the ship isn't sinking I guess. It's just kind of floating there. Luckily for Trump, the economy is solid and there haven't been any kind of crisis situations.
05-14-2017 , 01:40 PM
Oh man some of you know exactly what is going on in the inner cities right now. Geesh I didn't know you were attending meetings, starting non-profits and going in to talk with these people about what is going on in their lives.

I am personally doing these things. I am on the ground and know what is going on, what people are organizing.

I forget that I am talking to people who are cozy in their homes watching CNN and MSNBC and just know with certainty the awful things that Trump and his administration are doing. There is no other side to the story. There is not counteractions to his actions. I forget that I am talking to some real community organizers that are on the ground and can give me some special insight into the exact dealings of the communities they have never talked too or stepped foot in.

Man if most elite black people saw the positive in Trump's election because it is giving them motivation to get involved in their communities, they must be idiots too. Anyone who sees something positive in this must be an idiot. You guys are all the geniuses. Sorry, I forgot.
05-14-2017 , 01:43 PM
quinsmommy your message of "don't vote both sides are just as bad" has been heard loud and clear. I think your work is done here. There's probably another left-leaning message board in need of this vital message.
05-14-2017 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
Oh man some of you know exactly what is going on in the inner cities right now. Geesh I didn't know you were attending meetings, starting non-profits and going in to talk with these people about what is going on in their lives.

I am personally doing these things. I am on the ground and know what is going on, what people are organizing.
If true, which I doubt, please stop. You're hurting the team.

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I forget that I am talking to people who are cozy in their homes watching CNN and MSNBC and just know with certainty the awful things that Trump and his administration are doing. There is no other side to the story.
Well, let's see what other side ole quinsmommy, who literally believed the most horse**** right wing nonsense during the election, has for us:

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Man if most elite black people saw the positive in Trump's election because it is giving them motivation to get involved in their communities, they must be idiots too. Anyone who sees something positive in this must be an idiot. You guys are all the geniuses. Sorry, I forgot.
Jesus Christ
05-14-2017 , 01:48 PM
BTW that TrueFactsStated guy definitely has his head on straight:



A ****load of centrist libs are on ****ing first name basis with Louise and Claude over here. They are charlatans! This ****ing culture of being super nice to everyone because everyone is good has ****ing crippled American society.
05-14-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
I did not bring Hilary in the mix, but you can not talk about resolutions to Trump without talking about Hilary type Democrats. If Trump goes away, her kind do not need to take over again. People who want Trump out, should be aware of the Hilary shenanigans or we will wind right back up in this mess again.
No, you morons can't talk about Trump without talking about Hillary, everyone else manages just fine.
05-14-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
The funniest bit in that article is Tillerson is the only cabinet member trump is happy with. So amazing.
05-14-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
How am I not smart? Please oh intelligent one, tell me of my dumb ways. You all are so obsessed with your side being right, you can't take both sides for what it is.

You can disagree with me, but to call me stupid because we share different views is a reflection of you not me.
You said that black people have adapted to being targeted by police and will roll with it. That is more than just a difference of opinion, it's a demonstrably wrong statement
05-14-2017 , 01:50 PM


Trump working hard today.

Spoiler:
I know they do it every year, but we don't need facts like that to ruin things anymore
05-14-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
quinsmommy is a real leftist who just got betrayed by Hillary's email crimes, guys, definitely a genuine Bernie supporter
Yeah and what about those horrible hillarycrats who demanded the public option be removed from the ACA?
05-14-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich


Trump working hard today.
Is that real? Before I commence freakout, it normal for a president to proclaim existing holidays?

Ok just saw your edit.
05-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
Y'all really should be embarrassed at how easily trolled you are.
05-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
What is horrible about Mother of Quinn's take is that she really believes something monumental is taking place under trump for the better. Which is the height of foolishness and ignorance. A more swampy, self-interested and publically damaging administration has never existed.

I said this often before the election but like or hate Hillary she was an absolute known entity and it was obvious where the floor and ceiling were with her. In fact it was pretty obvious her floor was above Trump's ceiling. But some people wanted change no matter how thoughtless and horrible it is.

Anyone still clinging to the idea that the era of Trump has ushered in positive change is absurd.
What makes her argument really bad is she says she is a green party environmentalists. Trump will **** the environment far more then Hillary would of. And some of the repercussions could mean the non surviving could go on for a very long time. Its one of them main reasons i decided to break away form my ideologue roots.
05-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Yeah and what about those horrible hillarycrats who demanded the public option be removed from the ACA?
You mean ****ing Lieberman?
05-14-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy

Man if most elite black people saw the positive in Trump's election because it is giving them motivation to get involved in their communities, they must be idiots too. Anyone who sees something positive in this must be an idiot. You guys are all the geniuses. Sorry, I forgot.
Any "elite black people" who see the stripping of rights from their people as a positive, because it gives them something to do, is a disgusting selfish person. Kind of like ER doctors who are happy for multi-car collisions because it gives them people to save.
05-14-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich


Trump working hard today.

Spoiler:
I know they do it every year, but we don't need facts like that to ruin things anymore
My mom died last year how dare trump
05-14-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
What makes her argument really bad is she says she is a green party environmentalists. Trump will **** the environment far more then Hillary would of. And some of the repercussions could mean the non surviving will go on for a very long time. Its one of them main reasons i decided to break away form my ideologue roots.
Yes but if we **** the environment sooner rather than later, the air and water wars will start sooner, which means the intelligent cockroaches that evolve a few million years from now will have a head start. Big picture.
05-14-2017 , 01:55 PM
You two plus two are the reason Trump got voted in and won't be elected out. You geniuses keep on talking about your fantasy land world and how everyone else is an idiot. You will do great things and change the world for the better. Oh yes put Queen Hilary back in there, I am sure if they had the election tomorrow she would lose again.

Keep popping those meds though everything will be just fine.
05-14-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
If true, which I doubt, please stop. You're hurting the team.



Well, let's see what other side ole quinsmommy, who literally believed the most horse**** right wing nonsense during the election, has for us:



Jesus Christ
I kind of want to require Qm provide proof that black leaders have taken action to improve blacks lot in America because of Trump. Like cite or gtfo
05-14-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
You two plus two are the reason Trump got voted in and won't be elected out. You geniuses keep on talking about your fantasy land world and how everyone else is an idiot. You will do great things and change the world for the better. Oh yes put Queen Hilary back in there, I am sure if they had the election tomorrow she would lose again.

Keep popping those meds though everything will be just fine.
But you are an idiot
05-14-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
You two plus two are the reason Trump got voted in and won't be elected out. You geniuses keep on talking about your fantasy land world and how everyone else is an idiot. You will do great things and change the world for the better. Oh yes put Queen Hilary back in there, I am sure if they had the election tomorrow she would lose again.

Keep popping those meds though everything will be just fine.
Ha totes not trolling.

      
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