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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

01-30-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
This appears to be a widely held belief among the right. You all think that because you might have a black friend, never say the N word, and have never attended a KKK meeting you can't be racist.

Everyone is racist. Everyone. This has been proven by social science over and over. It's like gravity. The difference is in how one deals with this fact.

Trump chooses to let his racist impulses fly at every oppertunity.

Also, a case can be made that Trump's version of racism
Is far worse than an actual KKK guy looking to lynch a few people because Trump had the power to hurts millions of people.
Ben Carson doesn't count.
01-30-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
You're not. Just 1 of the mentions is during the infamous 'alternative facts' interview.
Thanks! I'm not American so I can't be sure but it seems to me that a presidential spokesperson even hinting at the idea of the President having his own intelligence/security services is a huge deal, it seems to have flown under the radar over the last while because of all the other things going on but it could turn out to be one of the most significant developments of the last few weeks if things really go badly.
01-30-2017 , 01:30 PM
The specific reason that white supremacists start by denying the Holocaust targeted Jews was to then transition to wondering why the Jew-run Hollywood and academia focuses on the Jewish victims, and so forth.

If it wasn't targeting Jews, it'd be bizarre that Israel exists, for example.

It plays into a larger narrative white supremacists like to spin of Jews being puppet masters who love to play victim rather than a discriminated against demographic that was damn near removed from an entire continent.
01-30-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
If Trump supporters were as well read, well traveled and as smart as you then they would not be Trump supporters, right?
Lazy and or ignorant too. Yeah all that is a given. I know you are a trump supporter but your support is not defensible unless it's just "I support the racist ideals he is espousing and advancing".
01-30-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The specific reason that white supremacists start by denying the Holocaust targeted Jews was to then transition to wondering why the Jew-run Hollywood and academia focuses on the Jewish victims, and so forth.

If it wasn't targeting Jews, it'd be bizarre that Israel exists, for example.

It plays into a larger narrative white supremacists like to spin of Jews being puppet masters who love to play victim rather than a discriminated against demographic that was damn near removed from an entire continent.
Yeah, this is a succinct summation.
01-30-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Am I wrong to worry about Trump claiming that ICE, Border Patrol, etc endorsed him (the agencies themselves didn't endorse him but the unions did), he has written an executive order to hire 15,000 more despite a hiring freeze on the rest of gov't, and these agencies appear to be the people not following court orders now?
I'm thinking the same thing. Except isn't the number 5,000? On quick Google that is what I see, anyway.
01-30-2017 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
I'm thinking the same thing. Except isn't the number 5,000? On quick Google that is what I see, anyway.
5000 more border patrol and either or double or triple the size of ICE
01-30-2017 , 01:37 PM
d10- You're right that if the left started shooting now, over a few dozen detained green card guys by confused or whatever CBP agents, yeah, the military and police would overwhelmingly support Trump.

But the left isn't violent now. The darkest timeline here is that the protests continue and the combination of Trump's insecure narcissism and the right's authoritarianism


leads to him ordering a protest put down with violence. America is pretty chill when it comes to brutalizing inner city blacks, you come for the latte-sipping suburban libs with placards? People are going to refuse that order. We might see state/local vs. federal law enforcement clashes and ****.
01-30-2017 , 01:38 PM
Guys, please stop pretending Pence, Ryan, etc. are the adults in the room. They are pure scum.
01-30-2017 , 01:42 PM
**** ICE. We didn't even have that organization until 2001. The number of ICE agents should be reduced to zero.

- ICE headquarters

Big Government gone mad
01-30-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Guys, please stop pretending Pence, Ryan, etc. are the adults in the room. They are pure scum.
Yeah the lib need to prove hypocrisy and **** with like that Pence tweet is ****ing awful.

Yo you're not going to shame Donald Trump into following the virtuous advice of Pence, Pence didn't believe that **** when his staff tweeted it and he doesn't believe it now.

It's debate club pedantry after an election that conclusively proved that **** doesn't work.
01-30-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The federal prosecutorial service is under the direction of the president. Historically, it has been difficult for the president to quash investigations into the activities of himself and his underlings, but that's a PR point. The remedy for a lawless president is impeachment.
Well Benjamin Franklin said that assassination was long the favorite tool to dispose of runaway leaders but if possible impeachment might be a better alternative.
01-30-2017 , 01:48 PM
Merkley announcing plans to filibuster any SCOTUS pick besides Garland. About ****ing time.
01-30-2017 , 01:50 PM
YES
01-30-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
Thanks! I'm not American so I can't be sure but it seems to me that a presidential spokesperson even hinting at the idea of the President having his own intelligence/security services is a huge deal, it seems to have flown under the radar over the last while because of all the other things going on but it could turn out to be one of the most significant developments of the last few weeks if things really go badly.
I agree. Seems like another spot where people would just say "well people are taking him seriously but not literally". We'll get up in arms about it when it happens, I suppose. But it really should be a lot sooner than that.
01-30-2017 , 01:52 PM
Has anyone else noticed the Trump supporters not being as vocal lately on social media? Normally my Facebook feed is of crap like "Give him a chance!" or "Get a job!" in regards to protesters. But the past few days they seem to be quiet for the most part.
01-30-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
Thanks! I'm not American so I can't be sure but it seems to me that a presidential spokesperson even hinting at the idea of the President having his own intelligence/security services is a huge deal, it seems to have flown under the radar over the last while because of all the other things going on but it could turn out to be one of the most significant developments of the last few weeks if things really go badly.

I dont know how he could do it though. That type of stuff costs a lot of money and it's not like he can just form "Trump's Special Forces" and expect tax payers to foot the bill.
01-30-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
d10- You're right that if the left started shooting now, over a few dozen detained green card guys by confused or whatever CBP agents, yeah, the military and police would overwhelmingly support Trump.

But the left isn't violent now. The darkest timeline here is that the protests continue and the combination of Trump's insecure narcissism and the right's authoritarianism


leads to him ordering a protest put down with violence. America is pretty chill when it comes to brutalizing inner city blacks, you come for the latte-sipping suburban libs with placards? People are going to refuse that order. We might see state/local vs. federal law enforcement clashes and ****.
I was thinking that the other day and looked around to see what kind of a turning point Kent State was and found the Hard Hat Riots happened 4 days after Kent State. 5 days after there were 75-100k demonstrating against the Kent State killings in DC, but then 11 days after that there were 60-150k at a pro-Vietnam war demonstration in NYC. As far as violent protest goes, the Weather Underground declared war the day after that and a month later bombed the headquarters of the NYC police department.

Maybe it'd be different when four soccer moms are shot, but the Trumpkins will just get whipped into a frenzy if it's four college kids.
01-30-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I dont know how he could do it though. That type of stuff costs a lot of money and it's not like he can just form "Trump's Special Forces" and expect tax payers to foot the bill.
He would have to ask Congress for funding, or he could fund it out of his own pocket.
01-30-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
5000 more border patrol and either or double or triple the size of ICE
You are right. 10,000 more ICE. He wants bigger goon squads.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-enforcement/
01-30-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Has anyone else noticed the Trump supporters not being as vocal lately on social media? Normally my Facebook feed is of crap like "Give him a chance!" or "Get a job!" in regards to protesters. But the past few days they seem to be quiet for the most part.
My feed is always pretty liberal but the conservatives are even quieter than normal, and limited to minor pedantry and whataboutism. I'm an east coast liberal, though. Dunno how it's playing in Real America.

I've been heartened to see a couple conservatives of various stripes coming out hard against various Trump policies. I've got a taxation conservative currently going HAM against the environmental stuff, a religious conservative quoting the Bible on refugees, and a libertarian memeing hard on the wall. It's nice of Trump to give everyone a reason to hate him.
01-30-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I don't really think trumpkins are scared of either muslims or mexicans. Like purse clutching at airports when a brown person walks by aside, I think a sort of xenophobic "not us" mentality is the dominant force here vs muslims not exactly a direct fear of terrorism or whatever.
I'm fine with also calling it a "not us" mentality, but the very definition of phobic is an irrational fear. They are irrationally afraid of Muslims and that they all have or want a sharia culture. They look at American Muslim women who wear a hajib and view it as a blatant refusal to assimilate and that scares them.
01-30-2017 , 02:21 PM
Of course they are scared of Muslims. The media they consume have bred that into them with 15 years of relentless fear mongering against Muslims.
01-30-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
And by the way, two things:

1) Where Chicago exactly ranks on the murder scale is irrelevant (though I appreciate snafoo providing the facts). The only reason Trump and Conservatives have harped on Chicago is because President Obama is from there.


2) Tougher "law and order" will not do anything to solve crime in areas where it is a big problem. In fact, it will likely make things worse in the long run.
Grunching here, but bolded is not true. Segregationists used Chicago as their go-to example of black on black crime to deflect outrage over Emmit Till and other similar atrocities. Twas ever thus.
01-30-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
I have some Questions for you Guys. In which way did Trump ever harm Black People ?

What is so bad about not letting People in from countries were the majority of the Population hates America ?


Because they are ****ing people. They had to flee their home because of war. They are living in tents on football fields for months on end


Have some compassion.

A few brown people are terrorist doesn't mean 100% of brown people are terrorist.


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