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05-14-2017 , 12:25 PM
Jeff Sessions ordered all prosecutors to stop making plea deals and go for the MAX sentencing.
05-14-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Jeff Sessions ordered all prosecutors to stop making plea deals with non-whites and go for the MAX sentencing.
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05-14-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
How am I not smart? Please oh intelligent one, tell me of my dumb ways. You all are so obsessed with your side being right, you can't take both sides for what it is.

You can disagree with me, but to call me stupid because we share different views is a reflection of you not me.
You literally said black people are used to being screwed so they will be ok. No reason to try and do anything about it.

That's pretty damn stupid.
05-14-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
So we're supposed to not criticise Trump admin officials because that criticism is helping Trump?

Steve Bannon, smart guy, good for America, too bad he got mixed up with Trump.

Spicey/press secretary/any media mouthpiece in general and I can see it's silly to bother. No one thinks they do anything other than flounder around defending Trump and deflecting.
The idea isn't to pull punches with his staff because they are smart or good; certainly not even to have pity on them.

It's that Trump plays the staff-shake-up-game during times of crisis both as a bobble for the media to get focused on and more subtly but critically, it's a way for him to pretend whoever is rumored on the outs is responsible for his failures. So making Bannon, or Conway, or Spicer, or Miller, or Priebus, or whoever the subject of an inordinate amount of focus and criticism is ultimately servile to Trump's interests: when and if things go really south, he'll fire the person or people and then pretend he's some savvy CEO who now sees he too has been betrayed by his disloyal and incompetent staff.

Obviously no one sharp would be fooled by this game but when critics aggrandize guys like Bannon as an especially pernicious influence, it may be both realistic but also folly. It lets Trump fritter around and say NOW Ivanka and Jared really has his ear, or he's really letting the Wisconsin guys like Priebus and Ryan set the agenda, he's really marginalized Bannon this time. Focusing on Bannon as really and uniquely bad is, in the end, political cover for Trump to deploy when its suits his purpose.

It's a giant fools' errand to follow the court intrigue too deeply. A lot of it is surely a smoke show crafted specifically to let the audience imagine whatever they want like the rest of Trump's rhetoric. He's got Ivanka and Jared for the elites and the women and the money people, Priebus for the insiders, Bannon for the alt-right and depending on the audience, time of day, rise and fall of various circumstances he's just going to pretend their status is rising and falling, they really have his ear now, this one is on the outs, he's about to say YOU'RE FIRED to that one, blah blah blah blah. It's a scam designed to confuse in the end. Critics should just focus on Trump. When and if he ever fires Bannon or sends Jared back to the Trump business empire or whatever, and some other new drama emerges, some new force that has Trump's ear this time, just ignore it all and continue saying Trump and Trump alone is the truly malignant and dangerous force in this thing.

Last edited by DVaut1; 05-14-2017 at 12:50 PM.
05-14-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
You literally said black people are used to being screwed so they will be ok. No reason to try and do anything about it.

That's pretty damn stupid.
I did not say there was no reason to try and do anything about it. Please don't put words in my mouth. I said they will survive Sessions. As they survived slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, assassinations of big leaders, cointelpro, bombing of black Wall Street, and Move bombings.

My last paragraph talks about how the ACLU is getting massive donations. ACLU is currently suing Canton, MS for their egregious behavior against the black community. Since Trump has been elected, the black community is coming together again to try and rebuild themselves. This same community that had 27% unemployment possibly 40% under Obama and no one blinked an eye.

Don't tell me about Jeff Sessions enacting max penalties about laws against the inner cities like this is something new. They will survive.

Furthermore, these people who have all these opinions about what is stupid and not and not actually getting involved to change anything are the real idiots. Get from behind your computer screens and make a phone call. Volunteer to teach some know your rights classes. If you are so concerned.
05-14-2017 , 12:49 PM
Don't say slavery is bad, it's not new they will survive.
05-14-2017 , 12:49 PM
Some wont survive.
05-14-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
The idea isn't to pull punches with his staff because they are smart or good; certainly not even to have pity on them.

It's that Trump plays the staff-shake-up-game during times of crisis both as a bobble for the media to get focused on and more subtly but critically, it's a way for him to pretend whoever is rumored on the outs is responsible for his failures. So making Bannon, or Conway, or Spicer, or Miller, or Priebus, or whoever the subject of an inordinate amount of focus and criticism is ultimately servile to Trump's interests: when and if things go really south, he'll fire the person or people and then pretend he's some savvy CEO who now sees he too has been betrayed by his disloyal and incompetent staff.

Obviously no one sharp would be fooled by this game but when critics aggrandize guys like Bannon as an especially pernicious influence, it may be both realistic but also folly. It lets Trump fritter around and say NOW Ivanka and Jared really has his ear, or he's really letting the Wisconsin guys like Priebus and Ryan set the agenda, he's really marginalized Bannon this time.

It's a giant fools' errand to follow the court intrigue too deeply. A lot of it is surely a smoke show crafted specifically to let the audience imagine whatever they want like the rest of Trump's rhetoric.
This is all really too ephemeral to come to any conclusion. But, I def agree in regards to that one bolded word there. It is giving Trump a pass where he shouldn't get one to act like this is about their influence on Trump. Trump is responsible and the hiring of people like Bannon and Sessions isn't about how they influence Trump, but how Trump is a racist idiot and therefore he hires racist idiots.
05-14-2017 , 12:55 PM
Clapper coming out against now.

So much for that appeal to authority.
05-14-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I thought that was given to Spicy?
05-14-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
How am I not smart? Please oh intelligent one, tell me of my dumb ways. You all are so obsessed with your side being right, you can't take both sides for what it is.

You can disagree with me, but to call me stupid because we share different views is a reflection of you not me.
Personally not saying you're dumb, but overgeneralizing is.
05-14-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Some wont survive.
Some weren't surviving since the Europeans took this country over for all types of inhumane reasons. What's your point? Deck has always been stacked. Point I am making is Trump is motivating people to do things and come together.

Whether you be black, Muslim, sick, woman, etc. People are understanding the system more and willing to fight. Wouldn't have happened with Hilary.
05-14-2017 , 01:15 PM
stfu about hillary itt
05-14-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
Some weren't surviving since the Europeans took this country over for all types of inhumane reasons. What's your point?
Point is more wont survive under trump then a hypothetical Hillary.

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Deck has always been stacked. Point I am making is Trump is motivating people to do things and come together.

Whether you be black, Muslim, sick, woman, etc. People are understanding the system more and willing to fight. Wouldn't have happened with Hilary.
Ah so by that we should have gone even farther then trump and elected a David Duke to really amp things up.


If this election did not turn you into a pragmatists. Well it should of.
05-14-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
How am I not smart? Please oh intelligent one, tell me of my dumb ways. You all are so obsessed with your side being right, you can't take both sides for what it is.

You can disagree with me, but to call me stupid because we share different views is a reflection of you not me.
You're not smart because your views are that of a stupid person.

1) Vaxxer-esque views itt
2) "**** black people" in a subtle manner itt
05-14-2017 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
Clapper coming out against now.

So much for that appeal to authority.
Did trump change his Twitter banner?

It has been amazing from almost jump how much Trump clung to clapper who has been irrelevant since the innaugeration.
05-14-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
stfu about hillary itt
I did not bring Hilary in the mix, but you can not talk about resolutions to Trump without talking about Hilary type Democrats. If Trump goes away, her kind do not need to take over again. People who want Trump out, should be aware of the Hilary shenanigans or we will wind right back up in this mess again.
05-14-2017 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Personally not saying you're dumb, but overgeneralizing is.
Just because I think all Jews should be burned in ovens doesn't make me dumb either. We just have a difference of opinion.


Dear dumb people of earth (not you Mc, obviously). You can't just erase your dumb statements , horrible positions and awful support by claiming they are just a difference of opinion.
05-14-2017 , 01:23 PM
The important thing to take away from the shake-up stories is not whether this person or that person will get fired, it's how Trump is seeing triple, confused at who around him will turn on him.

Trump may also not give two ****s about replacing the people he fires. A skeleton staff of pure loyalists like Ivanka, Jared, Keith the bodyguard and Jeff Sessions may be all he can tolerate by next week.
05-14-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
You're not smart because your views are that of a stupid person.

1) Vaxxer-esque views itt
2) "**** black people" in a subtle manner itt
Yes, food and herbs cure illnesses better than prescriptions. Don't know how you get ef black people from my posts. You must not have good reading comprehension. Sure I am the idiot though. Please do go on...
05-14-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
You're not smart because your views are that of a stupid person.

1) Vaxxer-esque views itt
2) "**** black people" in a subtle manner itt
Subtle?

You are too kind.
05-14-2017 , 01:27 PM
Higher rake is good for the game. Pros will survive.
05-14-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Point is more wont survive under trump then a hypothetical Hillary.


Ah so by that we should have gone even farther then trump and elected a David Duke to really amp things up.


If this election did not turn you into a pragmatists. Well it should of.
What is horrible about Mother of Quinn's take is that she really believes something monumental is taking place under trump for the better. Which is the height of foolishness and ignorance. A more swampy, self-interested and publically damaging administration has never existed.

I said this often before the election but like or hate Hillary she was an absolute known entity and it was obvious where the floor and ceiling were with her. In fact it was pretty obvious her floor was above Trump's ceiling. But some people wanted change no matter how thoughtless and horrible it is.

Anyone still clinging to the idea that the era of Trump has ushered in positive change is absurd.
05-14-2017 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Higher rake is good for the game. Pros will survive.
The human race bottlenecking down to 8000 people wasn't a big deal. We survived, and would again.
05-14-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
I did not bring Hilary in the mix, but you can not talk about resolutions to Trump without talking about Hilary type Democrats. If Trump goes away, her kind do not need to take over again. People who want Trump out, should be aware of the Hilary shenanigans or we will wind right back up in this mess again.
Please elaborate on this mess you think we were in before Trump.

Also please expand that to detail how any of those issues are primary due to the office of the President and not say things like Congress. To be honest your posts in this thread all sound like bad Facebook talking point posts.

      
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