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05-13-2017 , 02:08 PM
Basically Trump is exposing all the cracks in our system of checks and balances. And it turns out that when two branches are completely intent on exploiting and destroying those systems rather than remaining faithful to the old norms, they crumble like a house of cards.
05-13-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Is there a link between insomnia and early onset Alzheimer's? Cause if so, I'm kinda terrified.
Look into doxepin. In large doses it's an anti-depressant. In micro doses it's an amazing sleep aid. Changed my life. I went from 5-6 hours of fitful sleep, often waking up for a couple hours in the middle, to 7-8 hours of very good sleep. It puts me right to sleep and in the morning I wake up feeling completely normal, unlike with ambien or anything else I've tried where I feel groggy.

Just to be clear - it's a prescription not some homeopathic bull****. http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychia...xepin-insomnia
05-13-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to believe.
Because if there is no legal consequence to anything we should be thanking him for taking it easy on us.
05-13-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Basically Trump is exposing all the cracks in our system of checks and balances. And it turns out that when two branches are completely intent on exploiting and destroying those systems rather than remaining faithful to the old norms, they crumble like a house of cards.
I do think we should be a little more defensive and deferential to the Founders here. The thing we probably have to grapple with is that checks and balances weren't meant to inculcate civic virtue in the populous; it wasn't meant to endear people to democracy, to develop respect for democracy and its institutions. That was always on us.

No one who designed say the three co-equal branches of government (a bit of a polite fiction anyway) meant that if like some huge percentage of the population embraced dogmatic right-wing authoritarianism and elected a President and big majorities in Congress who wanted a government focused on populist authoritarian white resentment that they couldn't necessarily have that.

Yet again I think the whole "exposed the cracks of our systems of checks and balances" is a bit of a sleight of hand. Trump shows that the norms don't exist the way liberals thought. Checks and balances weren't meant to protect important fictions. Again, that was on us. It's not so much a systemic failure or a design flaw in the system; these are pretty transparent user errors. We inherited a system that worked well enough for literally centuries and to the extent it's being dismantled it's simply because very few people value it and want it. If you explained the situation to Madison and Hamilton and John Jay or whoever, they would probably nod along and say it's a shame but they didn't design the system to persist when lots of people fundamentally don't respect it. I don't think you would get them to apologize for a miss or a flaw in the system. They would rightfully probably look around at things like Trump and the obstinate GOP Congress who refuses to do nothing and say welp, you're on your own, gl. Garbage in garbage out.

This whole debate reminds me of people in fundamentally failing business (e.g., newspaper publishing) blaming their old legacy systems or something which calculate delivery routes or formats the layout of the front page. Software can't make you money on its own, your products do that. Our constitutional system of checks and balances doesn't simply respect and cherish itself, that's on our culture and society to preserve. Failure to do that is not a failure with the design of the system.

Last edited by DVaut1; 05-13-2017 at 02:28 PM.
05-13-2017 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Look into doxepin. In large doses it's an anti-depressant. In micro doses it's an amazing sleep aid. Changed my life. I went from 5-6 hours of fitful sleep, often waking up for a couple hours in the middle, to 7-8 hours of very good sleep. It puts me right to sleep and in the morning I wake up feeling completely normal, unlike with ambien or anything else I've tried where I feel groggy.

Just to be clear - it's a prescription not some homeopathic bull****. http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychia...xepin-insomnia
Funny seeing as though most prescription drugs are synthetic versions of nature. I am sure some good old fashion marijuana would have had you sleeping good too, but those prescriptions are amazing.
05-13-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Basically Trump is exposing all the cracks in our system of checks and balances.
Not even close to all. A guy with his ambitions is just getting started. There's so much more he can do.

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Originally Posted by einbert
And it turns out that when two branches are completely intent on exploiting and destroying those systems rather than remaining faithful to the old norms, they crumble like a house of cards.
Why? According to what has been said, I can think of many ways for GOP to stay in power indefinitely.
05-13-2017 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Trump is playing to populists. Not sure if y'all have gotten out and talked to say your average old white person that has empowered Trump to great political heights but they also speak in nonsensical incoherent jibber jabber and nod along to Trump-style verbal diarrhea like it's received wisdom from the Heavens.
So much this. The palaver and non-stop contradictions are all part of a disinformation campaign aimed at low-political info types, i.e. 90% or more of the country. This stuff sounds silly to us because we actually follow and educate ourselves on some of the issues. The number of TRUMP supporters I know who still believe that his administration will do the exact opposite of what they already have is astounding.

Trump's audience doesn't care much about the issues, at least not in detail, and most wouldn't waste a second of their time learning about any of them. Trump's media team just throws out contradictory messaging to different audiences and they let people hear what they want.
05-13-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
It's like asking why Transformers 5 got made, why are Michael Bay movies so loud and dumb, didn't everyone seen Moonlight, that was beautiful, why aren't all movies Moonlight? ...and then assuming Michael Bay must have dementia. I mean maybe, but the simpler explanation is that Michael Bay likes making ****ty movies with explosions because it's easy and he doesn't have to do anything and you can still make billions doing it.
Michael Bay tries to make all of his movies like West Side Story.
05-13-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
What is your point? Still don't like Hilary and still support Bernie. You are an angry person that doesn't know how to discuss things without insulting the person you are talking too.

That timeline was good too. I understand why Clinton didn't win. Hopefully those people who voted against Hilary will stand up against Trump...
That after believing Hillary did the email crimes based on literally ****ing fiction you're concern trolling people about Trump committing obstruction of justice.

People who voted "against Hillary" are not going to stand up against Trump, they love Trump.
05-13-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Look into doxepin. In large doses it's an anti-depressant. In micro doses it's an amazing sleep aid. Changed my life. I went from 5-6 hours of fitful sleep, often waking up for a couple hours in the middle, to 7-8 hours of very good sleep. It puts me right to sleep and in the morning I wake up feeling completely normal, unlike with ambien or anything else I've tried where I feel groggy.

Just to be clear - it's a prescription not some homeopathic bull****. http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychia...xepin-insomnia
"A large study linked the development of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia to the use of doxepin, due to its anticholinergic properties"
Probably not the med he's looking for.
05-13-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
Funny seeing as though most prescription drugs are synthetic versions of nature. I am sure some good old fashion marijuana would have had you sleeping good too, but those prescriptions are amazing.
Lol you're just a cornucopia of bad ideas.
05-13-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
That after believing Hillary did the email crimes based on literally ****ing fiction you're concern trolling people about Trump committing obstruction of justice.

People who voted "against Hillary" are not going to stand up against Trump, they love Trump.

This is so untrue and people who think that only uneducated people voted for Trump are lost. The majority of educated white woman voted for Trump. On NPR before the general election, there were so many educated voters calling in about their concern for Hilary. NPR seemed to be revealing all of this negative information about Hilary after the primaries. Before it was Bernie doesn't have a shot blah blah blah. But if anyone thinks for a second that only uneducated people voted for Trump you are the ones not informed.
05-13-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Lol you're just a cornucopia of bad ideas.
Yes, because marijuana is a drug and prescription DRUGS are???
05-13-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
"A large study linked the development of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia to the use of doxepin, due to its anticholinergic properties"
Probably not the med he's looking for.
Ugh. As an anti-depressant you get much higher doses. Hoping that saves me.
05-13-2017 , 02:44 PM
Typo and spelling irony ITT.
05-13-2017 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Look into doxepin. In large doses it's an anti-depressant. In micro doses it's an amazing sleep aid. Changed my life. I went from 5-6 hours of fitful sleep, often waking up for a couple hours in the middle, to 7-8 hours of very good sleep. It puts me right to sleep and in the morning I wake up feeling completely normal, unlike with ambien or anything else I've tried where I feel groggy.

Just to be clear - it's a prescription not some homeopathic bull****. http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychia...xepin-insomnia
Thanks man, Ill talk to my doctor about it. Ive kinda just been rolling with the "I sleep 5 hours a night, but i function fine during the day so it must be ok" but I am also starting to have issues with my memory, and the idea that bad sleep can set off dementia is worrying.
05-13-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
"A large study linked the development of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia to the use of doxepin, due to its anticholinergic properties"
Probably not the med he's looking for.
damn it
05-13-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
Yes, because marijuana is a drug and prescription DRUGS are???
Because I don't want to go to bed stoned out of my mind every night.

What if I told you some people didn't even like the effect of weed? Can you wrap your stoner brain around that?

05-13-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
Funny seeing as though most prescription drugs are synthetic versions of nature. I am sure some good old fashion marijuana would have had you sleeping good too, but those prescriptions are amazing.
I agree, in my old job (where it wasnt prohibited and is legal in my state) this worked wonders at getting me to sleep (small doses, 5 mg or so of an edible about 1/2 hour before bed) but since there is a rider in my current place of employment that prohibits it, Ive stayed away.
05-13-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
Funny seeing as though most prescription drugs are synthetic versions of nature. I am sure some good old fashion marijuana would have had you sleeping good too, but those prescriptions are amazing.

You bolded homeopathic like you believe in homeopathic "medicine" which is literally snake oil
05-13-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
"A large study linked the development of Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia to the use of doxepin, due to its anticholinergic properties"
Probably not the med he's looking for.
Where did you get that from? Ok I googled, looks like they're taking the larger doses for depression. https://www.kpwashingtonresearch.org...-common-drugs/

Still as much as this changed my life I'm willing to take the risk.

Looking at this study looks like it raises your risk of dementia or alzheimers from roughly 2% over a few years to roughly 4% over the same time period - average age 74. I can live with that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...8759/table/T3/


Last edited by suzzer99; 05-13-2017 at 02:58 PM.
05-13-2017 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I do think we should be a little more defensive and deferential to the Founders here. The thing we probably have to grapple with is that checks and balances weren't meant to inculcate civic virtue in the populous; it wasn't meant to endear people to democracy, to develop respect for democracy and its institutions. That was always on us.

No one who designed say the three co-equal branches of government (a bit of a polite fiction anyway) meant that if like some huge percentage of the population embraced dogmatic right-wing authoritarianism and elected a President and big majorities in Congress who wanted a government focused on populist authoritarian white resentment that they couldn't necessarily have that.

Yet again I think the whole "exposed the cracks of our systems of checks and balances" is a bit of a sleight of hand. Trump shows that the norms don't exist the way liberals thought. Checks and balances weren't meant to protect important fictions. Again, that was on us. It's not so much a systemic failure or a design flaw in the system; these are pretty transparent user errors. We inherited a system that worked well enough for literally centuries and to the extent it's being dismantled it's simply because very few people value it and want it. If you explained the situation to Madison and Hamilton and John Jay or whoever, they would probably nod along and say it's a shame but they didn't design the system to persist when lots of people fundamentally don't respect it. I don't think you would get them to apologize for a miss or a flaw in the system. They would rightfully probably look around at things like Trump and the obstinate GOP Congress who refuses to do nothing and say welp, you're on your own, gl. Garbage in garbage out.

This whole debate reminds me of people in fundamentally failing business (e.g., newspaper publishing) blaming their old legacy systems or something which calculate delivery routes or formats the layout of the front page. Software can't make you money on its own, your products do that. Our constitutional system of checks and balances doesn't simply respect and cherish itself, that's on our culture and society to preserve. Failure to do that is not a failure with the design of the system.
It's a bit of projecting far into the past the recent stability we've had as well. The Redeemer governments were fascist one party rule governed by terror and voter fraud. Even when Fusionist parties were able to challenge Democrats, Democrats just ran on hard white supremacy to legitimately win democratically without the need of voter fraud. Even during the Founders' time vote buying was endemic and patronage (Trump's loyality to him) forms of government were the norm and lead to widespread corruption.

Even reciently the Obama to Trump switch was done by a lot of people who were in all ideological senses Republicans but who were tied to Democrats because of legacy attachments through patronage to the old Democratic machine via unions and connections.

What our sense of what good governance is is pretty recient
05-13-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Why? According to what has been said, I can think of many ways for GOP to stay in power indefinitely.
Exactly. But they won't do it by getting the most votes. They'll do it by exploiting all the weaknesses in our system of checks and balances. They could be a VERY dominant minority party for 14 years if they manage to control the 2020 redistricting process like they did the last one.
05-13-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Because I don't want to go to bed stoned out of my mind every night.

What if I told you some people didn't even like the effect of weed? Can you wrap your stoner brain around that?

There are ways of getting THC without the feeling of being high. There is so much fear mongering surrounding the effects of marijuana/THC to save the pharmaceutical industry.

I do not want to get into a medical debate on a Trump thread, but people who believe only their doctors without looking up other remedies will quickly find themselves on prescriptions for the rest of their life or a major surgery for the most basic health problems.
05-13-2017 , 03:00 PM
I've smoked weed plenty in my life - didn't help me sleep and it killed my dreams. I have something that works wonders right now. I even sleep better than I used to even if I don't use it. And I don't build up tolerance. It's like some dream version of what a prescription drug should do.

I agree a lot of prescriptions are bull**** and only exist to create more customers for the pharma industry.

      
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