Yeah, especially the first part. If you've been raised by wolves the problem is not obvious. But it's exactly from the playbook, a scripted dogwhistle that fellow Nazis and threatened Jews can hear while leaving room for a bunch of people to think no harm was meant and the Jews are whining.

Netanyahu and Bannon/Trump have similar interests in common, they both want apartheid states in their respective countries being the main one. Like Trump's fans embracing Ben Carson, a lot of times it's easy to support one member of a persecuted group for tactical reasons while still generally ****ting on that persecuted group and finding more ways to make their lives impossible (mass incarceration). Even better if the "good one" is going to fast track your oppressive agenda!

It's a bone to white nationalists. They love the idea of giving "context" to the murder of Jews during the Holocaust by placing it on equal footing with the murder of, for example, gay people, even though there were hundreds of times as many Jewish victims as gay people.

I don't get this either tbh.

Re the Holocaust Memorial Day, I thought the criticism was a bit harsh at first. This is partly as my wife is Polish and I kinda of thought of the day more as a WW2 thing, and I know what the Nazis did to Poland. But, it's not as general as that so it's a fair challenge to the wording really.

Netanyahu is a political opportunist, so the reason is he thinks it helps him politically. The reason it helps him is because there's a significant minority of voters in Israel who form a very cohesive and influential voting block who have deplorable views on Muslims and love Trump.

The Nazis did a lot to Poland, like murder 3 million Polish Jews. 90% of them.

Have her get in contact eith the Mayor's office, I'm positive Emanuel's people would help her with this.

the stickied cliffs thread is awesome, but the one thing that I would love to see if possible is a source (whether it is a link to a tweet, a link to a story, or whatever). I assume he isn't recounting from memory at the end of each day so whatever link he got the info from would be awesome. I don't care if its from a "fake news" site like CNN or Trump's own twitter or a link to a post on here with other embedded links in it.

It's definitely a bad look. There's a sentiment that the millions of non-Jewish people also killed are sometimes overlooked, but I've always heard it stated as '6 million Jewish people and 5 million _____ people' or '11 million people, the majority being the 6 million Jewish people' or something similar. Not mentioning Jewish people or any specific people is totally bizarre and ****ed up.

Probably because they'd have to list all the people that MAGAers don't seem to be too fond of.

Yes I realise that, but it wasn't just the Jews as you know also. I'm saying that if a day was about the pointless deaths arising from WW2 then the criticism wouldn't have the same validity.

^^

DTD's post (and don't take this as a personal criticism) is exactly why Trump's statement should be viewed as soft Holocaust denial. Viewing the Holocaust as just part of "what the Nazis did in Poland" implicitly entails denying the extent of what the Nazis did to the Jews specifically in Poland (i.e., murder stunningly close to all of them) and elsewhere. Promoting that notion is an effort to undermine remembrance of the Holocaust.

Dammit I shouldn't have turned on the tv today. All the right wing idiot surrogates are running around spewing the 'where was your outrage when Obama did this to Iraq in 2011' even though that's patently false.

Man, something tells me this guy didn't pivot to Marxist historical materialism before he got banned.

It's out of ****ing control.

If people PM me links I'll try to review and add them.

Could be he's pissed at how Bannon is dressed too. They're in the Oval Office for an official event and the guy isn't even wearing a suit, never mind a tie. Looks like he's in a sport coat and dockers.

Look at Pence here FFS

Am I wrong to worry about Trump claiming that ICE, Border Patrol, etc endorsed him (the agencies themselves didn't endorse him but the unions did), he has written an executive order to hire 15,000 more despite a hiring freeze on the rest of gov't, and these agencies appear to be the people not following court orders now?

Pence just gritting his teeth while secretly waiting for Trump to crash and burn. I bet he hates just standing there and being Trump's bitch.

Honestly, and I don't want to start a debate on this, but this is totally unfair and incorrect in my opinion. Note that I'm talking about the logic of what you are saying rather then how politics of how certain words (or omissions) are perceived. Whoever drafts such a key statements has to consider many angles, and I'm not disputing the concern over the statement that was issued.

This is factually incorrect, it's not implicitly denying anything. I'm disappointed to read it quite honestly. Obv the Holocaust was a huge part of it, but I could just as easily say (and just as falsely) that your post is denying the extent to which others suffered in Poland.

Possible omission from the cliff notes - I seem to remember something about Kellyanne Conway mentioning the possibility of Trump having his own "Intelligence/security services" in the future - am I imagining this? I think it was mentioned offhand towards the end of an interview about something else but seems like a pretty significant thing to even suggest as a possibility.

Apologies if I've remembered wrong or am getting confused but hopefully someone will remember what I'm talking about!

Just to be clear, my initial comment was more in reference to what we see on Remembrance Day for example. Many official statements on this day are to "those that died in the war". I think we are OK with that. I also said that it's different for anything that specifically mentions the Holocaust.

Can we just give Trump enough cash to be the richest dude ever to not be President? Looks like some African King was worth about $400 billion inflation-adjusted back in the day, seems like a small price to pay. Cuts to the chase and he gets what he ultimately wants anyway.

p.s.

The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt"),[3] also known as the Shoah (Hebrew: השואה, HaShoah, "the catastrophe"), was a genocide in which Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany and its collaborators killed about six million Jews.[4] The victims included 1.5 million children[5] and represented about two-thirds of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe.[6] Some definitions of the Holocaust include the additional five million non-Jewish victims of Nazi mass murders, bringing the total to about 11 million. Killings took place throughout Nazi Germany, German-occupied territories,[7] and territories held by allies of Nazi Germany.

From 1941 to 1945, Jews were systematically murdered in the deadliest genocide in history, which was part of a broader aggregate of acts of oppression and killings of various ethnic and political groups in Europe by the Nazi regime.[8] Under the coordination of the SS, following directions from the highest leadership of the Nazi Party, every arm of Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics and the carrying out of the genocide. Other victims of Nazi crimes included ethnic Poles and other Slavs, Soviet citizens and Soviet POWs, Romanis, communists, homosexuals, Freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses and the mentally and physically disabled.[9][10][11] A network of about 42,500 facilities in Germany and German-occupied territories was used to concentrate victims for slave labor, mass murder, and other human rights abuses.[12] Over 200,000 people are estimated to have been Holocaust perpetrators.[13]



But there's no way you DON'T mention Jewish people.

You're not. Just 1 of the mentions is during the infamous 'alternative facts' interview.