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05-13-2017 , 12:52 PM
I don't know anything about RICO or stuff like that. Can someone clarify this?

05-13-2017 , 12:54 PM
patriotics.blog seems like a somewhat dubious place to get intel from.
05-13-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
This poster had a ****ing LABORIOUSLY PREPARED timeline of Hillary's email crimes and claimed to support Bernie.
What is your point? Still don't like Hilary and still support Bernie. You are an angry person that doesn't know how to discuss things without insulting the person you are talking too.

That timeline was good too. I understand why Clinton didn't win. Hopefully those people who voted against Hilary will stand up against Trump...
05-13-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
patriotics.blog seems like a somewhat dubious place to get intel from.
LOL yea I saw it popping up on Twitter so I asked.
05-13-2017 , 01:03 PM
Bernie -> Trump only happens if you're completely clueless. There is no other possibility. That's whether you enthusiastically supported Trump or you think your Trump vote was just an anti Hillary vote.
05-13-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I feel so helpless. Trump is forcing normalization on us knowing that we can't do **** as long as the GOP is protecting him. It's obvious we're going down a very bad path (Trump supporters think things are basically remaining constant right now) but the real problem seems to be the rate of acceleration. If he wanted to be relentless at exploiting all the legal loopholes and breaking all the ethics rules, how far can he go without consequences? Cause you know he's gonna keep going.

I'm still confused by the responses yesterday on the subject of impeachment, and what it would take to make this stop already. It doesn't make sense that Trump can do whatever he wants and there's no way to remove him without a 2/3 Congress vote. There have to be lots of exceptions:

Murder
Mental health
Torture/war crimes
Rape

To name a few, no? I refuse to believe that if he decided to start George Carlin's Monday night crucifixions on prime time TV, law enforcement would need to wait for a 2/3 vote before stopping it. Or...
Should be obvious. But GOP could just claim they don't buy it (even though they aren't qualified to decide) if they wanted to stick to their guns unconditionally.

Can someone clarify? Unparalyze us.
Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. The question to ask is which behavior, if any, would cause him to lose the support of the Republicans in Congress or enough Republicans that would join together with Democrats to impeach. That's about the only relevant question to ask. No other standards matter.

As of this moment, it doesn't appear like much. Would murder do it? Maybe, hard to say if there was any plausible deniability at all or if the victim was anyone other than a white guy or had any kind of character flaw or any sort of incident in the past you could point to as being unsavory. Otherwise they might fall into the No Angel category of justifiable homicide for cable news pundits, and we've already seen how the Trump-FoxNews-GOPCongress nexus is at the heart of our country's power structure.

Committing war crimes is a non-issue, the right-wing has basically categorically defined war crimes as stuff the US can't commit. Mental health? Probably not. Even if he had a major stroke and was a vegetable or something like that, they might just leave him there.
05-13-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Bernie -> Trump only happens if you're completely clueless. There is no other possibility. That's whether you enthusiastically supported Trump or you think your Trump vote was just an anti Hillary vote.
I never said I voted for Trump. My state is blue, always has been. I voted for Jill Stein.

I do understand why someone would have voted against Hilary and the system she was apart of. Doesn't mean people can't fight Trump tooth and nail now either. They chose their less of two evils.
05-13-2017 , 01:11 PM
The only strange thing about Paul Ryan was Devin Nunes going to him right away with that classified info he got at the WH that Tuesday evening.
05-13-2017 , 01:16 PM
Rachel had some interesting things to say about Russian money laundering. WSJ got the impression from the Treasury Department's financial crimes unit (or whatever it was called) that there IS a there there. Preet Bharara was investigating it when he got canned. His replacement as SDNY attorney said something in a tweet specifically mentioning Russia as something "we won't tolerate" regarding laundering and Trump.
05-13-2017 , 01:25 PM
There is zero doubt in my mind Trump is suffering from Alzheimer's/ dementia. None of that negates his many other issues or short comings. I think I talked about it in the Obamacare thread but my dad had Alzheimer's for a very long time and I was a primary care giver for his ten plus last years. The symptoms and problems can and often are much more nuanced than just not knowing where you are or not remembering someone else.

There are all sorts of coping mechanisms the brain uses to try and compensate for this strong deterioration. I have followed trump for a very long time and it's pretty clear he is impaired by degenerative mental issues. That doesn't take away from him being stupid as well. Alzheimer's does not necessarily make one stupid.

That being said I don't think it makes any difference from him serving his term other than it makes him much more open to manipulation. Reagan likely suffered from advanced issues almost his entire presidency.
05-13-2017 , 01:25 PM
He is absolutely far more likely to get **** canned for not delivering tax cuts than for literally murdering people
05-13-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Rachel had some interesting things to say about Russian money laundering. WSJ got the impression from the Treasury Department's financial crimes unit (or whatever it was called) that there IS a there there. Preet Bharara was investigating it when he got canned. His replacement as SDNY attorney said something in a tweet specifically mentioning Russia as something "we won't tolerate" regarding laundering and Trump.
Insane how people can run for president while being investigated. There should be a law for this in the future.
05-13-2017 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by quinsmommy
I never said I voted for Trump. My state is blue, always has been. I voted for Jill Stein.

I do understand why someone would have voted against Hilary and the system she was apart of. Doesn't mean people can't fight Trump tooth and nail now either. They chose their less of two evils.
Jill Stein? Seriously?

By the way just because a person decides their state is not contested is not a valid reason for voting improperly.
05-13-2017 , 01:29 PM
Jill Stein and her voters are useful idiots, she sat tight next to Mike Flynn during the RT ceremonies.
05-13-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Jill Stein? Seriously?

By the way just because a person decides their state is not contested is not a valid reason for voting improperly.
Oh yeah, all you Hilary voters are so wonderful! Like she wouldn't have the country in war and chaotic mess right now. Like her family wouldn't be finding ways to make deals for their future generations. Like she wouldn't have fired Comey for his investigation into her. Oh I voted for the environmentally friendly option and I am the crazy. Cool.
05-13-2017 , 01:34 PM
Look guys, Hillary doing bad things in a President Trump thread.
05-13-2017 , 01:36 PM
FYI, I would have voted for Stein in any state I lived in. 50% of Americans don't vote. Are they all idiots? Do you really think you are smarter than someone because you voted for Hilary?

This whole democracy Democrat and Republican alike is a joke. The only hope is that more Progressives run in the future. In the meantime I am actually calling my congress people and getting my voice heard in my blue state, so Democrats can understand people aren't taking their bullsh*t anymore either.

Who are you contacting? Or are you just sitting behind your computer screen calling people idiots for not voting for Hilary Clinton?
05-13-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Look guys, Hillary doing bad things in a President Trump thread.
I did not bring Hilary up, but don't get me started on her, lol...
05-13-2017 , 01:44 PM
Meanwhile... Don't know if you all reported on this yet...

Comey wants to testify in public, not behind closed doors...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ja...rticle/2623023
05-13-2017 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. The question to ask is which behavior, if any, would cause him to lose the support of the Republicans in Congress or enough Republicans that would join together with Democrats to impeach. That's about the only relevant question to ask. No other standards matter.

As of this moment, it doesn't appear like much. Would murder do it? Maybe, hard to say if there was any plausible deniability at all or if the victim was anyone other than a white guy or had any kind of character flaw or any sort of incident in the past you could point to as being unsavory. Otherwise they might fall into the No Angel category of justifiable homicide for cable news pundits, and we've already seen how the Trump-FoxNews-GOPCongress nexus is at the heart of our country's power structure.

Committing war crimes is a non-issue, the right-wing has basically categorically defined war crimes as stuff the US can't commit. Mental health? Probably not. Even if he had a major stroke and was a vegetable or something like that, they might just leave him there.
Sorry, but I still don't buy it. There's ZERO legal recourse? It has to be political by GOP? If that's the case, Trump WILL take advantage and destroy us quickly. He is right now actually. Nobody's ever been more of a danger. GOP wouldn't object to Trump using his power to openly break laws and violate human rights that favor them, the way it happens in 3rd world dictatorships. He could jail every single Democrat for no reason at all and GOP would love it. Or maybe he decides to just dismantle the whole FBI because they don't like him embarrassing them and fill the CIA with cronies that he directs to illegally monitor every smartphone in the country. I mean, why have laws? Maybe if the GOP likes him enough, he can just drop term limits and go full on Fascist. Or get rid of elections.

There has to be both a legal and political limit.
05-13-2017 , 01:46 PM
trump gonna pick the person to investigate him next week.
05-13-2017 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Sorry, but I still don't buy it. There's ZERO legal recourse? It has to be political by GOP? If that's the case, Trump WILL take advantage and destroy us quickly. He is right now actually. Nobody's ever been more of a danger. GOP wouldn't object to Trump using his power to openly break laws and violate human rights that favor them, the way it happens in 3rd world dictatorships. He could jail every single Democrat for no reason at all and GOP would love it. Or maybe he decides to just dismantle the whole FBI because they don't like him embarrassing them and fill the CIA with cronies that he directs to illegally monitor every smartphone in the country. I mean, why have laws? Maybe if the GOP likes him enough, he can just drop term limits and go full on Fascist. Or get rid of elections.

There has to be both a legal and political limit.
Sorry but yea the Founders, visionary and divinely blessed as they were, envisioned the Executive as a monarchy, given near limitless power, but with the check being the Legislature and (later on after the Courts gave themselves the ability) the Judiciary. The Judiciary can only cover existing laws though, they don't create new ones or do political or legal action except in rare circumstances like Brown v Board and even then require legislative and executive assistance to be effective.

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05-13-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Reagan was an idiot in 1968. That doesn't mean he didn't have Alzheimer's in 1986.

And supposedly there's a correlation between things like not reading and early Alzheimer's as well.
I am mystified as to why you, of all people, are so eager to give Trump the excuse of mental illness.

He's just a bad guy. And he's always been nearly this bad.
05-13-2017 , 02:00 PM
Not sure why MSM keeps saying "IF the President fired the head of the FBI because of the Russian investigation..." when Trump is on TV flat out saying that was the reason.
05-13-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Sorry, but I still don't buy it. There's ZERO legal recourse? It has to be political by GOP? If that's the case, Trump WILL take advantage and destroy us quickly. He is right now actually. Nobody's ever been more of a danger. GOP wouldn't object to Trump using his power to openly break laws and violate human rights that favor them, the way it happens in 3rd world dictatorships. He could jail every single Democrat for no reason at all and GOP would love it. Or maybe he decides to just dismantle the whole FBI because they don't like him embarrassing them and fill the CIA with cronies that he directs to illegally monitor every smartphone in the country. I mean, why have laws? Maybe if the GOP likes him enough, he can just drop term limits and go full on Fascist. Or get rid of elections.

There has to be both a legal and political limit.
DVaut is exactly correct that impeachment is a political action. It can be motivated by illegal action on the part of the president, but the decision is fundamentally political.

And of course there are political limits. The limit is if Trump does something that is both illegal and that make it more harmful for a critical mass of Congressional Republicans to support him than it would be to devour him.

I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to believe.

      
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