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01-30-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
This Birther Movement stuff is obviously a big pile of bull****
But the main Motivation for Trump behind it is to discredit a Political Opponent.
Sure he used bigoted renting practices, led the Birther movement, lobbied to get innocent black people convicted, said Mexicans can't be judges, called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, just banned an entire faith as refugees, didn't mention Jews at a holocaust memorial ect etc.

Have you ever seen him personally lynch someone? No. Then stop calling him a racist!
01-30-2017 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Remember how we just got through an episode where you believed a ridiculous trump lie, didn't bother to do the 20 seconds to fact check it prior, and then when informed of the lie you again didn't bother to do the 20 seconds to fact check it but imposed it on us to find the answer for you? Remember that process? Now consider, do you think you might ALSO be wrong about "police presence should be upped" as your go to default response to this claim?

Here is a valuable exercise: Can you think of any OTHER things we could do outside of increasing police presence to combat murder rates? You should be able to come up with at least 5 in under a minute.
ban weapons, less Gentrification, more social security, better education, keeping track of who enters your country
01-30-2017 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Sure he used bigoted renting practices, led the Birther movement, lobbied to get innocent black people convicted, said Mexicans can't be judges, called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, just banned an entire faith as refugees, didn't mention Jews at a holocaust memorial ect etc.

Have you ever seen him personally lynch someone? No. Then stop calling him a racist!
he says what his Voters want to hear and he seems to be pretty effective with his strategies. if he would not be, he would not be POTUS

Last edited by piet_evil; 01-30-2017 at 10:32 AM. Reason: I forgot he is jew hater now also, so he seems to hate everyone ?
01-30-2017 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
This Birther Movement stuff is obviously a big pile of bull****
But the main Motivation for Trump behind it is to discredit a Political Opponent.
Now you're just a trump troll.
Good bye racist.
01-30-2017 , 10:33 AM
At this point Bannon is probably dictating Trump's tweets:

01-30-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
ban weapons, less Gentrification, more social security, better education, keeping track of who enters your country
Excellent. Ignoring a couple bad answers here, you have come up with a list of alternatives to just increasing police presence. So why then did you only mention police presence when faced with murder rates? And remember, until recently you believed the egregious lie of Your Guy. Perhaps you shouldn't just parrot his talking abouts about the solution too?
01-30-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagine
Now you're just a trump troll.
Good bye racist.
so he was not his Political opponent ?
and nice tone, you seem to be really into debating things on a non personal Level
01-30-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Chicago is not even top 10. Get informed!

Top 10 murder and non negligent manslaughter per 100.000 people for cities with population>250.000, 2014 (source: wikipedia)

1. St. Louis 49.9
2. Detroit 43.5
3. New Orleans 38.7
4. Baltimore 33.8
5. Newark 33.3
6. New York 23.2
7. Pittsburgh 22.4
8. Memphis 21.4
9. Atlanta 20.5
10. Cincinnati 20.2

19. Chicago 15.1

Also, black people should care more because they are treated different (read: worse) by the police than white people on average.



This is wrong on so many levels. As I said, get informed (not by Trump propaganda).
There is an error above. The 23.2 is for Buffalo, not NYC. NYC has a vanishingly low rate of 3.9.
01-30-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL at this ****ing coward. You're scared, little man. It won't get better
I think you're right. Trumpkins are scared. Scared of losing their status. Scared of Muslims. Scared of Mexicans. Scared of globalism. Scared of losing their jobs, etc., etc. But if/when the **** really hits the fan and all out civil war breaks out, scared people armed w guns will win over intellectuals armed with good arguments. And that makes me a little scared.
01-30-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I think you're right. Trumpkins are scared. Scared of losing their status. Scared of Muslims. Scared of Mexicans. Scared of globalism. Scared of losing their jobs, etc., etc. But if/when the **** really hits the fan and all out civil war breaks out, scared people armed w guns will win over intellectuals armed with good arguments. And that makes me a little scared.
I don't really think trumpkins are scared of either muslims or mexicans. Like purse clutching at airports when a brown person walks by aside, I think a sort of xenophobic "not us" mentality is the dominant force here vs muslims not exactly a direct fear of terrorism or whatever.
01-30-2017 , 10:38 AM
Have other presidents gone "prime-time" with their Supreme Court nominee announcements? I seem to remember midday announcements in the past.
01-30-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Excellent. Ignoring a couple bad answers here, you have come up with a list of alternatives to just increasing police presence. So why then did you only mention police presence when faced with murder rates? And remember, until recently you believed the egregious lie of Your Guy. Perhaps you shouldn't just parrot his talking abouts about the solution too?
because it was brought up that trump wants to up Fed and Police Presence in Chicago ?

and i did not belive anything thats why i used the wording as far as i know, normally this is a thing to say if your opinion is not set in stone and you are ready to get some other input. i do however still think that there are big problems with violent crime in Chicago tho.
also it would be nice if you would not turn to personal degradation.
in my opinion the biggest Problems in Political discussions is the absolut lack of respecting the other side and the absolut lack of critical thinking, because everybody just wants to strenghten their own kinda set in stone Agenda.
Discussions ideally should lead to result where all sides might know a little bit more afterwards.
But thats not possible if people are not able to see that almost everything in Politics has pros and cons
01-30-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
he says what his Voters want to hear and he seems to be pretty effective with his strategies. if he would not be, he would not be POTUS
We agree, his voters are largely racists too. Your point?
01-30-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
You really think the Invading was because of Bad People in Charge ?
Using freed in that context seems pretty absurd
No, I think most invasions have been for economic/political reasons. But do you remember why Bush said the US had to invade Iraq?

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Originally Posted by piet_evil
Using freed in that context seems pretty absurd
Hence the quotes.

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Originally Posted by piet_evil
i think under Trump America is less likely to invade another country then it would have been under Hilary. but thats a thing nobody can know for sure.
Clinton is not POTUS. Stop comparing every bad thing Trump does to what she might have done. It is not relevant anymore now.

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Originally Posted by piet_evil
I think what America did in many of this Country is really bad, but the past cant be changed and as the POTUS you have to protect People living in America right now
Protect from what? There have literally been ZERO terrorist attacks by people from those countries. Infinitely more people have died in the US during school shootings. Time to kick all students out of the country I guess. Better be safe than sorry.
01-30-2017 , 10:43 AM
Schumer's tears were fake says the President (only a 5% chance they were real he says)
01-30-2017 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
because it was brought up that trump wants to up Fed and Police Presence in Chicago ?

and i did not belive anything thats why i used the wording as far as i know, normally this is a thing to say if your opinion is not set in stone and you are ready to get some other input. i do however still think that there are big problems with violent crime in Chicago tho.
also it would be nice if you would not turn to personal degradation.
in my opinion the biggest Problems in Political discussions is the absolut lack of respecting the other side and the absolut lack of critical thinking, because everybody just wants to strenghten their own kinda set in stone Agenda.
Discussions ideally should lead to result where all sides might know a little bit more afterwards.
But thats not possible if people are not able to see that almost everything in Politics has pros and cons
He didn't attack you, he pointed out your false belief. Facts are not attacks.
01-30-2017 , 10:44 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again: I sure hope the sprinkler system over there at the Reichstag Capitol Building has been fully tested.

Either they're going to do something to distract from what's happening now, or what's happening now IS the distraction. Pretty scared of both options!
01-30-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
We agree, his voters are largely racists too. Your point?
that he might not be jew, black, mexican, muslim hating racist to the core is, but more of an opportunist
01-30-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage
Lol at the 2+2 politics forum

Everyone who tries to offer an opposing perspective continues to be bashed and dismissed. You've learned nothing
I'd love to see some opposing perspective but the fact is that everyone who comes in here to defend him is a troll. Like the person below, broadway sushi, awval, and stretching outside this thread, jayhawks in the resist thread. They're all ****ing trolls who just tout Trump and never ever engage when pressed for facts which is the definition of a troll. Just getting that attention by riling people up.
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
If Trump supporters were as well read, well traveled and as smart as you then they would not be Trump supporters, right?
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re: Trumps tweets this morning: he's insane.
01-30-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Have other presidents gone "prime-time" with their Supreme Court nominee announcements? I seem to remember midday announcements in the past.
Have other Presidents moved up their SCOTUS announcements to change the top story of the media?

Much of what he does is about controlling the media.
01-30-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
No, i wasnt aware of that, thats why i asked to get input with some claims against him

But i also dont think that this is Move he did because he is Racist, housing Discrimination is a business Move
It's still racist if you do it for money.

Edit: If that even was his motive.

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Originally Posted by piet_evil
never heard about that central five thing from 28years ago, but the guys confessed as i just read. How should he have known that they were most likely not guilty ?
Because they have been exonerated and he was still claiming they are guilty.

Stop JAQing off. We all know you have internet access and can find all the information yourself. You should do that before you embarass yourself even more.
01-30-2017 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Doesn't matter, contempt is not enforced by indictment/trial. Judge orders you to appear, if you dont the marshals come get you, and at the end of a hearing they can have the marshals take you into custody/jail. No role for DOJ. [This is simplified, but within the power of the courts.]
Grunching here, the marshals service is part of the DOJ
01-30-2017 , 10:48 AM
Amazing doubling down this morning by Trump.
01-30-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
No, but Germany could be used as an deterrent example
As a fellow German, no it couldn't. I remember this piet guy for being a racist and self-admitted troll in the German sub-forum on here years ago, so not much seems to have changed with him.
01-30-2017 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
He didn't attack you, he pointed out your false belief. Facts are not attacks.
i did not use term attack, i used the term degrade.
and if this quote of his Post:
And remember, until recently you believed the egregious lie of Your Guy. Perhaps you shouldn't just parrot his talking abouts about the solution too?,

isnt degrading, then i dont know what else it is.

      
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